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cp, the general jist of DaveO's post was, Goulding would not have caught the opposing winger when the break was made.
If he was in the team at centre he more than likely would have helped prevent the try that Ainscough is being castigated for.
By all accounts and purposes, Mr Bailey is the one that should not darken the DW's front door again.

I don't come on here often but read anonimously most days, the amount of sensible posters that have disappeared over the last 12 to 18 months is criminal, I would think that they have disappeared because of the posturing and backbiting of posters that are better than the coaching staff, it is not debate that is going on, no-one is allowed to have an opinion apart from the "chosen" one aparently.
The wheels are not coming off.
Top of the League with a few injury problems, that's all it is, no money problems, the best supporters!
Let's be a bit less vociferous and try and allow past, and future posters to join in.
As it stands now the site is going the way of "Animal Farm" by George Orwell

Last season I was a critic of this player,but dont we just miss the go-forward of Andy Coley?

mickh wrote:cp, the general jist of DaveO's post was, Goulding would not have caught the opposing winger when the break was made.
If he was in the team at centre he more than likely would have helped prevent the try that Ainscough is being castigated for.
By all accounts and purposes, Mr Bailey is the one that should not darken the DW's front door again.

I don't come on here often but read anonimously most days, the amount of sensible posters that have disappeared over the last 12 to 18 months is criminal, I would think that they have disappeared because of the posturing and backbiting of posters that are better than the coaching staff, it is not debate that is going on, no-one is allowed to have an opinion apart from the "chosen" one aparently.
The wheels are not coming off.
Top of the League with a few injury problems, that's all it is, no money problems, the best supporters!
Let's be a bit less vociferous and try and allow past, and future posters to join in.
As it stands now the site is going the way of "Animal Farm" by George Orwell

Your choice. It is a free world. I would be interested who are these sensible Ghosts you mention. I don't see any. I think your post is a tad hypocritical re posturing.

cpwigan wrote:The coaching staff I would say given how quickly the kicking tee came out and yes it relieved the pressure on the Quins.

Incidentally, fair play to the Quins coaching staff, theirinterchanges were excellent in that second half.

that was our biggest mistake first time we had any ball ,there was 22 mins left on clock not 2,and quins were on a warning next time some 1 goes in the bin.So we take 2 instead of 6 and a man in the bin huge huge miastake ,could say prob cost us the game

We certainly missed Coley. His defence alone has been great. Whether the players realise it or not I think they are on trial with Madge. It strikes me he has decided I am backing you for 2010. No changes. Prove that is correct or beyond 2010 there will be changes.

I don't think recebt results have been a major disaster although the nature of the losses is the biggest concern. If the losses were 0-80 minute defeats I daresay that would be easier to rationalise. What such defeats do show is the weakness of the salary cap and SL. No club has sufficient depth so once injuries strike then teams become very weak compared to full strength. The halfback situation across SL is dire. Wilkin playing 6 for Saints, Lockers for Wigan and so on.

V Quins had Gleeson or Tommy been fit that is a win. Oddly I think Jones Bishop getting injured and Dorn going to full back was the pivotal moment of the match. Brdford was similarly affected by injuries. Wigan are no different to many SL clubs when injuries struck. We do have some depth but we are suffering from the past regime not blooding youngsters either in the first team periodically or on loan/lease. Saints fans criticised the blooding of youngsters but it is now paying off IMO. The gap between SL and other levels is huge. The management blundered not recalling Davies or Tuson. I hope that does not offend sensitive posters and that such criticism is allowed

With the best players back we will be fine and the bonus is that Liam Farrell now looks increasingly ready to step up. Some never will and some will be passt their use by date but we do have decent depth.

The club, team is moving forward and upwards. Not everytghing has an immediate solution or can be planned for. Going off at a tangent RL and Wigan RLFC have a crowd control issue. I hope that is deal with before it damages the sport BIG TIME.

Just to add Mick, posters come and go. That is thae nature of the net but if you look both ways you find some new excellent posters to replace them. No Straw (Are you Rogues?), Dobby and others are quality contributors. You can also do what I do and have courtesy of Mike favourite posters and block posters you don't want to read.

So cp you are putting yourself in the position of "The chosen one" eh, as I say "Animal Farm" springs to mind, and you didn't comment on my summary of the poster you were attacking, Just an attack on me.

mickh wrote:So cp you are putting yourself in the position of "The chosen one" eh, as I say "Animal Farm" springs to mind, and you didn't comment on my summary of the poster you were attacking, Just an attack on me.

LOL I just post posts and read posts. I did not mention your comments re Dave. I don't agree with them and had said why previously and given your hyper sensitive state I saw no point in doing so. I felt your hypocritical posturing and totally incorrect statement deserved a response. I notice you did not reply to my post either. No Ghosts named, no recognition of the quality posters that I can see and I am guessing others can. Dave likes debate, I like debate. We are both adults.

I scratch my head though at ponificating about posters/forums especially when Mike provided option beyond to read or not to read. I thought the idea was to post about Wigan RLFC ???

I don't care if I post or do not or if readers think WRONG/RIGHT etc I am not aware of any posting ranks other than Admin/Moderator/Joe Public. I do think your Animal Farm analogy is incorrect and hypocritical posturing that you apparently hate unless you are the one doing it.

cherry.pie wrote:In the CC we had Gleeson, Goulding (for a half) and Coley and there wasn't much difference in our defending then.

I disagree. Was it not something like 44-10 when Goulding went off? Bailey then moved to centre with Gleeson on the wing and our defence, from both out of position Bailey and Gleeson, was then very poor down that side with both of them at fault for tries that were conceeded. This was a direct result of the injury to Goulding. This poor right hand side defence continued into the Harlequins game with Ainscough replacing Gleeson on the wing with much the same results. I am fairly certain that without this injury that we wouldnt have seen the collapse of the right hand side defence against Sheffield and against Harlequins, whether he was at wing or centre (Maguire may well have played Goulding at centre instead of Bailey after his showing there against Sheffield). Likewise if Gleeson had have been fit against Harlequins our defence would have been better.

cherry.pie wrote:I don't think the defeat to Quins can be wholly attributed to players missing as some people may be thinking.

We were just as bad against Sheffield albeit against poorer oppposition who were less likely to get the win.

In the CC we had Gleeson, Goulding (for a half) and Coley and there wasn't much difference in our defending then.

The problem seems to be one shared by the whole team bar a few individuals. We seem to be switching off and not paying attention at crucial times. We don't seem to be wrapping up the ball in tackles like we should and teams are getting offloads too easily.

Add to that some individuals who are dropping off tackles far too easily, standing around rather than helping tacklers and throwing lazy arms around rather than tackling properly. The main culprit in the last couple of weeks has been Lee Mossop but others have been guilty of this too.

We've all been shown that this team has the quality to play well and win, and the tactics to muscle out difficult sides, but the players also seem alarmingly quick to switch off as if the job is done.

I agree. I see it as much more of a mental/psychological issue than one of ability. In lots of games this season, we've built a comfortable lead and then switched off. So far, only Bradford & Quins have been good enough to take advantage of it, but it will happen again unless Madge gets to grips with it.

I'd say the only three games where we've played at full intensity for all or most of the 80 mins have been Saints, Wire & Leeds, and that list pretty much shows the reason why - all top teams, and all close games.

In games against the so-called "lesser" sides, we eased up considerably once the game was seen as won, and either stopped scoring (eg Catalans & Crusaders) or conceded "consolation" tries for the opposition (eg Sheffield, Hull, Cas).