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Re: Lockers Stand up and act like a Captain
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:57 pm
by cpwigan
Wigan Watcher wrote:cpwigan wrote:Wigan Watcher wrote:
Ellery Hanley never stopped talking to refs and yes he did argue with them..It is my view that you can get to a ref and influence his decision making... Does anyone remember Hanley being sent off for arguing with the ref?
Well he was and yes he was playing for Wigan at the time.
I wish he was here to answer you but nothing could be further from the truth. He used to patronise referees, cadjole them and would often reinforce their message to the player being spoken to albeit for effect rather than reality.
He was indeed occasionally disciplined. Very rarely and that came about when the media created a storm about Ellery being too influential and refereeing games. Top officials often kick back just to prove a point.
Top officials are not like park officials. They have got where they have because they will stand up to players. Only the very best players are even tolerated. Lesser or younger players are given short shrift.
Faz was a barker but he was on his own in that respect and it probably had more to do with the fact those around him were weak and left everything including playmaking to him. IIRC Endacott tried to rectify this.
If only captincy was about screaming and shouting
Nothing could be closer to the truth. Hanley would explain to refs his opinion and even evaluate them and tell them. Hanley was a clever player and he did use to disagree with refs strongly .That is why he is one of the few players to be sent off for
ARGUING with a ref.
We will have to agree to disagree but show me a match when he argued with a referee. Wally Lewis argued with referees. Ellery used to put his hand out/almost around the referee and pamper them. If he behaved as you suggest then why did he as a coach have a strict discipline poicy re challenging referees?
He hit problems because people created merry hell about him being able to supposedly get his own way.
Re: Lockers Stand up and act like a Captain
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:58 pm
by josie andrews
cpwigan wrote:Lockers divides opinion and thus whatever he does there is asection of Wigan fans who will never see anything good in him either as a captain or a player.
:eusa2: :eusa2:
Well put CP
Re: Lockers Stand up and act like a Captain
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:05 pm
by Wigan Watcher
cpwigan wrote:Wigan Watcher wrote:cpwigan wrote:
I wish he was here to answer you but nothing could be further from the truth. He used to patronise referees, cadjole them and would often reinforce their message to the player being spoken to albeit for effect rather than reality.
He was indeed occasionally disciplined. Very rarely and that came about when the media created a storm about Ellery being too influential and refereeing games. Top officials often kick back just to prove a point.
Top officials are not like park officials. They have got where they have because they will stand up to players. Only the very best players are even tolerated. Lesser or younger players are given short shrift.
Faz was a barker but he was on his own in that respect and it probably had more to do with the fact those around him were weak and left everything including playmaking to him. IIRC Endacott tried to rectify this.
If only captincy was about screaming and shouting
Nothing could be closer to the truth. Hanley would explain to refs his opinion and even evaluate them and tell them. Hanley was a clever player and he did use to disagree with refs strongly .That is why he is one of the few players to be sent off for
ARGUING with a ref.
We will have to agree to disagree but show me a match when he argued with a referee. Wally Lewis argued with referees. Ellery used to put his hand out/almost around the referee and pamper them. If he behaved as you suggest then why did he as a coach have a strict discipline poicy re challenging referees?
He hit problems because people created merry hell about him being able to supposedly get his own way.
I would say he would argue with refs in most games. You don’t have to shout or make expressions on your face to argue. He was seen very often running at the side of the ref with his mouth going ten to the dozen so yes he defiantly argues with the ref…
As I said he got sent off for it, you don’t need any more evidence than that and yes as our friend said it was even going down a tunnel and not on the pitch…
ARGUING
Re: Lockers Stand up and act like a Captain
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:25 pm
by cpwigan
So not on the field of play and I cannot recall but was it after Greg and Whitfield have Part X of their ongoing feud. Whitfield was like Ganson and Greg fell for it albeit he became better.
John Monie and even Graham Lowe had very strict discipline policies.
Re: Lockers Stand up and act like a Captain
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:26 pm
by x Wigan Warrior x
Neither of you truly know what he was saying on the pitch …arguing or patronising. My best guess would be that he talked a lot to the refs on the field of play and down in the tunnel
. Playing ping pong guessing games although funny to read at times, does have its limits . I think this reached its limit a few posts ago
….now unless anyone has his number and can ring him to confirm what he actually did, I recon “agree to disagree†would be the best policy here
Re: Lockers Stand up and act like a Captain
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:27 pm
by GeoffN
Funny how the likes of Briers & Long get slagged off on here for trying to influence refs...
Re: Lockers Stand up and act like a Captain
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 1:38 pm
by robjoenz
cpwigan wrote:If only captincy was about screaming and shouting
I wonder who would captain this message board if that were the case
Re: Lockers Stand up and act like a Captain
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:14 pm
by cpwigan
Josie.
Re: Lockers Stand up and act like a Captain
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:20 pm
by robjoenz
Definately a contender, along with you and DaveO
Re: Lockers Stand up and act like a Captain
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:19 pm
by cpwigan
3 Natural Leaders :alie: