WiganWarriorsFans.com

DaveO wrote:

Kittwazzer wrote:

DaveO wrote:From Finch and Tommy to Matty Smith and and Rangi Chase. :eusa16:

Are our coaching staff really going to be able to turn Smith and Chase into players as good as Finch and Tommy?

If it's that simple why bother bringing Finch over in the first place? Matty Smith was out of contract around the same time and we showed no interest then.

We can just buy any player and Wane will wave his magic wand and hey-presto we will end up with a world class player. Clearly a players natural ability (or lack of it) is of no significance. :eusa18:

Who waved a magic wand over Sam to allow him to replace Tim Smith?

What are you on about? Sam is the most naturally gifted player to grace the jersey since Hanley.

If you are suggesting he got as good as he is because of Wane's coaching you don't have much idea of what makes some players merely good and the odd rare one like Sam truly great.

However even if Sam's abilities were all down to Wane our rumoured new half backs won't have grown up with his coaching either.

cpwigan wrote: Wane is doing something I never thought possible and if he pulls it off then it is a watershed moment for British RL; namely, a British born RL coach has taken the best the NRL has to offer, learned from it and then advanced it. I never rated British coaches and never thought I would but if Wane continues he will have made me eat my words / views.

On what he has done so far I trust Wane.

Chase / Smith could be fantastic Wigan halfbacks. Fans may forget but many, the majority had grave doubt about Tommy as a HB. Most thought he was a better hooker than a HB. Short memories Even Finchy had his detractors I can remember many here IIRC you too Dave O saying losing Hoffman was a backward step and Hock could not offer what Hoffman did. The evidence is that he has been replaced, improved upon even for the TEAM balance. Likewise, Goulding, plenty fans thought he was poor, not fit to replace Gleeson / JTomkins yet he has made fans eat their words.

Maybe we fans need to show a little more faith and trust

Kittwazzer wrote:

DaveO wrote:

Kittwazzer wrote: Who waved a magic wand over Sam to allow him to replace Tim Smith?

What are you on about? Sam is the most naturally gifted player to grace the jersey since Hanley.

If you are suggesting he got as good as he is because of Wane's coaching you don't have much idea of what makes some players merely good and the odd rare one like Sam truly great.

However even if Sam's abilities were all down to Wane our rumoured new half backs won't have grown up with his coaching either.

As ever Dave, you read what you want to read. You mentioned a 'magic wand'. I just played your childish game. Read again but first look up sarcasm in you Collins Pocket Dictionary!

29wes28 wrote:I was going to delve into the stats in great detail and explain them I was then going to name 10 half backs and their clubs and ask people to rate them 1-10 as players and then do the same for the clubs but after tonight I thought what's the point.

Sam gets the ball on a 2nd phase attack for Wigan on every other set at the very least tonight I could count the times he got the ball on 2nd phase options on 1 hand. This is down to half backs and pass selection, Sam had a good defensive game and had to rely on individual efforts in broken play to have an impact and considering he is ARGUABLY the best FB in the world that's poor.

Lastly after tonights performance I can't wait to see Chase in cherry and white ... Awesome .....

butt monkey wrote:

exile in Tiger country wrote: Me not turning up would have no affect. 14,000 plus not turning up would have slightly more influence, however, that is never going to happen. The point I was trying to make was that without the fans, a professional sports club is nothing.

You really do have a fanciful idea of owners worrying about what fans want as far as players signed/sold etc and how clubs should be run. As I said, when you manage to buy Wigan Warriors you will be able to run it exactly as you would like to - with signings etc etc. I would imagine you will find plenty of pitfalls to your simplistic idea of approaching and signing players and then getting them to sign on the dotted line

exile in Tiger country wrote:
You mentioned the salary cap in the same context as transfer fee's. The Transfer fee has nothing to do with a player, that is between the two clubs involved. The Salary cap only enters negotiation when discussing personal terms with the player.
We could offer fifty Million $Australian for Cooper Cronk, and no doubt Melbourne would accept he offer. So far, salary cap has precisely ZERO influence.
This is the point where Salary cap becomes relevant, discussing terms with the player, so your contention that the amount a club is prepared to pay in tranfer fees is totally erroneous.

You obviously need this spelling out as you cannot understand simple layman's terms. Transfer fees and Salary Cap were not mentioned in the "same context" as you put it by me, if you fail to understand posts that is your problem

If Wigan offered $50 million for Cronk, do you not think he would want a big pay deal also? Now with the Australians having a) more to spend as they have a bigger salary cap than we (the British game) have and b) The exchange rate being so poor now (which means where once upon a time an English Pound was worth about $2.30 Australian Dollars, now it is around $1) If you use your sense for one moment, you will understand that to offer a wage of say £100k would in fact mean only around $100k Aussie Dollars to any potential overseas recruit. In the past the exchange rate would have made such deals far more enticing - :sarc:

exile in Tiger country wrote:I may often feel that comments made on here are wrong, however, I never call people stupid, as to do so is to lower the tone of the discussion and make it pointless.
Name calling should remain in the primary school playground.
Adults should discuss things. Especially adults that have no knowledge of the person with whom they are having the discussion other than via an internet discussion forum.

If you read my comment it was referring to your posts as being stupid as you were being condescending to Bertina. I didn't simply indicate you are stupid, however if you continue with your stance I must assume you are what you appear to be afraid of most in my original post to you. You lowered the tone of this thread by attempting to be "clever" and refute that Chase was available

I will finish by asking you this simple question. Was Stuart Fielden "available" when Wigan signed him? Of course he was not, but a large enough amount of money was offered to let the player discuss terms and see the move happen.

WESTCUMBRIARIVE​RSIDER​ wrote:josie, heard cas turned an offer of 3oo - 355k down from wire so someone reckons 500k

WESTCUMBRIARIVE​RSIDER​ wrote:josie, heard cas turned an offer of 3oo - 355k down from wire so someone reckons 500k