The reason why Ashley Klein will never be a top referee

[cpwigan]

Under pressure he loses composure. Whether or not Brent Webb score is immaterial. I honestly do not know BUT he should have gone to the video referee.

Great game

[robjoenz]

cpwigan posted:
Under pressure he loses composure. Whether or not Brent Webb score is immaterial. I honestly do not know BUT he should have gone to the video referee.

Great game

Chomp...

On the contrary, that's what makes Ashley Klein the best referee in SL. His positioning and his decision making is second to none. He is the most composed man on the field.

Why go to the screen if you're certain of what happened?

How many people went crazy at Ganson last week when he went to the screen for Lulu's try when Newton attempted to knock the ball out. Lulu did well and Ganson went to the screen because he wasn't sure, that's what the screen's for. If Ash had bottled it under the pressure he'd have gone to the screen for every try attempt.

There was a similar at Knowsley Road earlier in the season when Colbon looked like he may have scored. However, Klein was on the spot and got the decision spot on.

[turf]

robjoenz posted:
On the contrary, that's what makes Ashley Klein the best referee in SL. His positioning and his decision making is second to none. Why go to the screen if you're certain of what happened?

How many people went crazy at Ganson last week when he went to the screen for Lulu's try when Newton attempted to knock the ball out. Lulu did well and Ganson went to the screen because he wasn't sure, that's what the screen's for. If Ash had bottled it under the pressure he'd have gone to the screen for every try attempt.

There was a similar at Knowsley Road earlier in the season when Colbon looked like he may have scored. However, Klein was on the spot and got the decision spot on.

Robjoenz, you are spot on about Ashley Klein. His positioning for the Webb incident was spot on as was the decision to award the turn over to Saints.

I think tonight was the best performance that I have seen from Ashley Klein this season.

I never thought that I would see myself typing this but a very well done to Ashley Klein tonight! :eusa2: :eusa2:

[weststandguy]

In the end,Stains won the game with a penalty that should never have been awarded,Klowns error!!!

[turf]

I think that Klein got that incident absolutely ight. I thought that the Leeds player was hanging around the play the ball area and was deservedly penalised for leaving his foot in the play the ball area when an opponent was trying to play the ball.

Again - good decision Mr Klein! :eusa2: :eusa2:

[cpwigan]

Rob, if Referee X adopted that philosophy at all times then yes it could be seen as a strength or a weakness. However, Ashley Klein makes full use of the video referee until the games reaches the critical point. Tonight he opted to used the VR for far more clear cut decisions, the Ablett knock on being an example. So clearly this is not a policy / philosophy he adopts as a matter of routine.

If you look at Klein as a referee or a VR, it is at the crucial point that he makes mistakes. That suggests that the pressure becomes too hot for him to handle. I may be wrong on this BUT did Cummings not issue edict 5920 that incidents towards the end of matches should ALWAYS be referred to the VR as a matter of course?

[Wayne's World]

I never thought that I would see myself saying this but a very well done to Ashley Klein tonight! Eusa_clap Eusa_clap

That's what stevo said as well. Turf.

[cpwigan]

Rob, first 5 minutes KC throws a pass that smith nearly intercepts, it started one side of the 20 line and ends up on the other side. Surely forward Remember what I have said re KC. He throws forward passes regularly.

The Grapple tackle. If you look at the first 10 minutes. Leon Pryce commits 2 blatant grapples and yet nothing is said. Did the referee by not setting his stall out correctly make a problem for himself later in the game.

The Blood Bin. Firstly Leeds were stupid. Had I been captain of that team, Mat Gidley would have been off the field. I would not hve left it to the referee. Officials are there to be managed Gidley was bleeding even with the bandage. Klein should have sent him to the bloo bin and Leeds should have forced him to do so. Big tactical advantage in making him go off.

Why was the above vertical tackle not put on report?

[robjoenz]

cpwigan posted:
Rob, if Referee X adopted that philosophy at all times then yes it could be seen as a strength or a weakness. However, Ashley Klein makes full use of the video referee until the games reaches the critical point. Tonight he opted to used the VR for far more clear cut decisions, the Ablett knock on being an example. So clearly this is not a policy / philosophy he adopts as a matter of routine.

He opts to use the video referee when he's unsure of a decision, unsure using his eyes not several camera angles. Wasn't he checking how the ball went forward for the Ablett attempt? Seeing whether the ball went forward having been played at rather than just hitting the player.

If you look at Klein as a referee or a VR, it is at the crucial point that he makes mistakes. That suggests that the pressure becomes too hot for him to handle. I may be wrong on this BUT did Cummings not issue edict 5920 that incidents towards the end of matches should ALWAYS be referred to the VR as a matter of course?[/quote]

How many mistakes has Ashley Klein actually made in recent weeks? His last three games that I have seen (Wigan-Saints, Hull-Hudds and Saints-Leeds) were all near faultless performances. You cannot deny that his positioning is by far the best of all the referees, he's always on the spot to make a call and he never gets wound up (both unlike your mate Ganson )

Wasn't edict 5920 just a suggestion?

[robjoenz]

weststandguy posted:
In the end,Stains won the game with a penalty that should never have been awarded,Klowns error!!!

I'm with turf here... as soon as the incident occured I called penalty at the TV before Klein gave it.

Webb had no need to bring his leg forwards towards the player playing the ball. That's an illegal interference... had the Saints man played the ball correctly it would probably have been play-on but the Saints player was under undue pressure and lost the ball.