The blame game

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The blame game

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Right or wrong my view has always been that being a supporter of a club makes you irrational, I even been known to use the term gullible. Not directed at my long haired lover from Ashton BTW :)

A simple example. We have never had a bad referee in recent weeks. Yet when our form was poor we had umpteen bad referees.

A more serious example. The furore that has now grown around the selection / non selection of Shaun Ainscough. I have yet to watch a young player or any player that could not improve. There is no such thing as the finished product. Generally the younger the player the more it is accepted that he will make mistakes as he develops and starts to realise his potential. Normally, supporters are far less willing to accept mistakes / weaknesses from player in their mid to late 20's and perhaps beyond.

It is then somewhat strange that whilst a group of fans have focussed so intensely on the merits of a rookie SL player in Shaun Ainscough they have never seen fit to cast their eyes at older more established players.

http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009

This is not a lets point the finger at George Carmont BTW but I read elsewhere in the main fans still harping on about Ainscough who has not played for the first team for a few games now yet after 3 years of ignoring his errors in reserve/academy grade they now suddenly highlight mistakes he even makes in reserve grade yet they seemingly ignore other player playing regularly. George made a very poor front on attempt at a tackle v Wakefield yet I still read about Ainscough making a poor attempted tackle from the back on Eastmond in a reserve game.

Take a look at the stats for George. Here is a very experienced player who has missed 19 tackles compared to 7 by a rookie winger. Nearly 2 missed tackles per match. 10 errors. 1 error per match. Ainscough has made errors too and he has missed tackles too. Yet contrast the silence surrounding Carmont compared to Ainscough. The fans never say anything. The coach never says anything. Bizarre is it not.

You could also understand it if fans were then to say ah but George is a far better attacker than Ainscough. Yet Ainscough makes 4 clean breaks, 4 tackle busts for every 1 that George makes. He scores 4 tries for every 1 try that George scores. Ah but George puts tries on for others. Does he? or is that what fans want to believe?

This is not let's criticise George but it is exposing the irrational views of supporters often based on fresh air. I describe fans as gullible at times why? somebody explain to me why the hysteria surrounding a rookie making mistakes yet the silence when an experienced player makes mistakes. Do you the fans not accept that if a prominent club official makes negative comments that you the fan conciously or subconciously take those on board.

Another interesting comparison and another possibly explnation for fans different responses. If George Carmont was Daryl Goulding would fans have been quiet had he made those mistakes? If not why not? What does that say about you, the fan? Why are fans not prepared to accept that a young player will make mistakes as they develop why are fans seemingly less tolerant of young players than so called star names? of imports? Double standards.

Is RL not a team sport? Maybe Wigan RLFC has an issue with its left side defence?

http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009

http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009

Look at the number of left sided defenders missed tackles / errors etc Hocky, Pig, Tommy.

Maybe teams were actually targetting our left side as opposed to a single player? However, is it easier to blame 1 person, a rookie than blame several players / the team / the coach? We as fans need to think far more than we do. I have read a 60+ year old supporter with extensive experience watching Wigan RLFC appear irrational / gullible, not here elsewhere and it staggers me, mystifies me.

Over to you the fans.
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I read on another popular forum from someone... who said Riddell was the worst performer in the team, yet better than Higham.

so i'll start:

Riddell - what benefits does he have over Higham?
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ancientnloyal wrote:I read on another popular forum from someone... who said Riddell was the worst performer in the team, yet better than Higham.

so i'll start:

Riddell - what benefits does he have over Higham?
He's bigger, offers a different style of play at hooker than 2 fast nippy ones, has a presence on the field, will help bring Mcillorum along.
I know it's a little controversial supporting a player, but hey, I'm that kind of Guy

As for CP's comments about the refs not being commented on recently. That knob on Satruday was awful, never once gave a pen for not being square at the play of the ball, some really bad decisions, but we won, so people aren't going to get too upset about it.
Had we lost by a couple of points, then of course we would all be on his back (as well as the linesmen and VR). But we didn't, so we're not! :)
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try the honest approach, you have nothing better to do, lets pick a player (any player you don't like) and publically discect him, and generally tear them to shreds,
I was always taught treat people as you wish to be treated,
would you like people to trash your life, the way certain players get it on this site
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MiThor wrote:I was always taught treat people as you wish to be treated,
would you like people to trash your life, the way certain players get it on this site
That being said I've heard how you shout at referees lol
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robjoenz wrote:
MiThor wrote:I was always taught treat people as you wish to be treated,
would you like people to trash your life, the way certain players get it on this site
That being said I've heard how you shout at referees lol


fair reply, comment accepted, I admit i do get carried away at games along with millions of other sports fans, by the same token I have ever heard you admit that refs get it wrong so we are both as bad
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MiThor wrote:
robjoenz wrote:
MiThor wrote:I was always taught treat people as you wish to be treated,
would you like people to trash your life, the way certain players get it on this site
That being said I've heard how you shout at referees lol
fair reply, comment accepted, I admit i do get carried away at games along with millions of other sports fans, by the same token I have ever heard you admit that refs get it wrong so we are both as bad
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Of course I have seen things differently to referees at a game before (hence think they're wrong cos I'm never wrong lol). Not the same as questioning their parentage at birth haha.
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Get your point CP but 179 tackles and 19 missed is better in my book than 34 tackles with 7 missed is it not?
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gpartin wrote:Get your point CP but 179 tackles and 19 missed is better in my book than 34 tackles with 7 missed is it not?
You are right GP it is but the way some fans have been carrying on you would think Ainscough was the only player ever to make a mistake. It is in some ways contradictory to the way fans says oh wouldn't it be great to have lots of young Wiganers in the team but when they get them they write them off far more readily than they do big names. There are fans who are still not convinced Mathers was given a fair go that Fielden will recapture his peak form, Pig will become a world beater yet in the same sentences write McIlorum off, want rid of Goulding think Ainscough is likely to = defeat should he play etc etc.
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