Re: Madge vs Waine.

TrueBlueWarrior · Post by **TrueBlueWarrior** » Thu May 24, 2012 10:00 pm

I think FINCH is the happiest he has been for a long time and that is down to a good working relationship with WANE not WAINE and this leads to fantastic performances currently. If WANE did not get on with FINCH and vice versa then trust me he would not be vice captain and playing as well as he is. I think WANE rates LIMA very highly and the reason he is sub most games is because he wants his 2 best props ie. LIMA and MOSSOP on the pitch at different times to balance our forward power more and not make us strong for 20 mins then weak for 20 of each half, therefore leading to an 80 minute team eventually, which is something he definately strives for. I rated MADGE as a coach highly but he had flaws as do all great coaches, WANE for me is getting better and better. Think the OP is a little too negative although I do agree with some of it, keep the faith, we are and will continually evolve and get better and better, trust!

Kittwazzer · Post by **Kittwazzer** » Thu May 24, 2012 10:14 pm

Rumors that Finch doesnt get on with Waine circulating.

Circulating where exactly? This is the first I'm hearing of it but no doubt it will be picked upon and be all over RLFans and RedVee by the end of the week.

And we are currently top of the league and IMO playing a better game than we did last year.

So I'm pitching for Wane!

Kittwazzer · Post by **Kittwazzer** » Thu May 24, 2012 11:38 pm

God wrote:
Kittwazzer wrote: Rumors that Finch doesnt get on with Waine circulating.

Circulating where exactly? This is the first I'm hearing of it but no doubt it will be picked upon and be all over RLFans and RedVee by the end of the week.

And we are currently top of the league and IMO playing a better game than we did last year.

So I'm pitching for Wane!
From this very forum, i cant be arsed trawling thru the threds but its on here otherwise i wouldnt have mentioned it.

Well I've read every thread and haven't seen a single mention of any animosity betwixt the two. I'm expecting to read a lot now though!

southernpie · Post by **southernpie** » Thu May 24, 2012 11:46 pm

I must defend God. early on possibly during pre-season friendlies somebody posted on here (or in rumours) a rumour that Finch had been very critical of Waney. However as the season has gone on, the way he has played and Finchy being given captaincy duties has in my mind proved that it was nothing more than a rumour.

Kittwazzer · Post by **Kittwazzer** » Thu May 24, 2012 11:57 pm

southernpie wrote:I must defend God. early on possibly during pre-season friendlies somebody posted on here (or in rumours) a rumour that Finch had been very critical of Waney. However as the season has gone on, the way he has played and Finchy being given captaincy duties has in my mind proved that it was nothing more than a rumour.

And this amounts to the rumours circulating?

Jesus wept!

bocco · Post by **bocco** » Fri May 25, 2012 12:59 am

finch is playing really well & I hope will stay. Playing well is usually a good sign a player is happy.

markill · Post by **markill** » Fri May 25, 2012 2:01 pm

I'd say Madge is a better coach but Wane is following on in fine style at the moment. He has had a few blips, but then so did Madge in the first season. Hard to make a fair comparison at this stage, but Madge turned a competitive side into a winning side with only one signing, and that being a half back who was on the verge of retirement. Wane has turned a champion team in to a more attacking lead leading team.

On the Finch / Madge 'rumour', I don't understand this, Finch has captained in Lockers absence. If Wane had an issue he could have had Tommy, George, Pat or Sam do this.

Re Lima - Wane doens't dislike Lima, he picks him in the 17, gets him on first change and gives him plenty of minutes. But why does a prop have to start!? It's ridiculous to say this suggests Lima isn't liked. I think either Lima or Mossop has to come off the bench because they are our best two props and we would be weaker when neither are on the field at the same time, this way, one is always on the field.

DaveO · Post by **DaveO** » Fri May 25, 2012 4:25 pm

You can't judge who is the better coach as it is too early to tell.

That said Wane has made more mistakes than Madge so far. Widnes, the pre season was poor and his early season preference for Lauaki over Lima spring to mind.

Conversely Madges mistake was not blooding enough young players and I think he did this as there was nothing in it for him as he was leaving. Cynical maybe but I think that lay behind it.

If I have a concern over Wane it is does he have an agenda of how he wants to win things rather than just doing his best to win things? Does he want to try and do it with an all Wigan side?

I'd like to see him be plainly gutted Lima is leaving early and not come out with platitudes about not standing in players way etc. As he is an overseas player I have my doubts he will be that bothered.

Exiled Wiganer · Post by **Exiled Wiganer** » Sat May 26, 2012 9:59 am

I think Madge faced a bigger challenge, as he had to tur the club round. That he moved us forward so quickly was a wonderful achievement.
I am really happy with Wane's ability to build a team, and reshape our tactics. He was on a hiding to nothing with players leaving, and the tail off at the end of MM's reign. But to be top and still in the Cup semis actually puts him ahead of MM in his first season.

cpwigan · Post by **cpwigan** » Sat May 26, 2012 11:08 am

You cannot judge either coach as being better or worse.

Both inherited very different set ups. The legacy Madge left for Waney (Waney was part of that) was much better than the one Madge inherited. The difficulty Waney has is that the legacy in terms of a void year or two in the academy has left a gap in outside backs and Madge seemed reluctant to blood youngsters last season although Waney is careful too because maybe that is the way it should be.

I do not remember Waney ever being critical of Madge until he left and I hope Waney used his time with Madge to learn as much as possible to then try to evolve / develop our playing style. Surely, the secret is to take the best the NRL has to offer and try to develop it to take it forward.

Too early to judge wane who at the moment is doing an excellent job. Likewise Madge did an excellent job.

The biggest threat to Wigan is being forced to make too many changes at one time.

Re Lima I cannot understand why Waney does not start games with him BUT I presume he has a plan behind it. Is Lima not big enough for Waney RL? perhaps Waney likes to start with the big boppers then throw more mobile / agile props like Lima on as teams tire after 20 minutes? I do not know.

Waney has been a plus re managing Goulding / Hock and may have helped signing Thornley who could be a master stroke signing. Madge was a master stroke for Antipodean signings. Fans need to remember Lenegan calls the shots and wants to keep costs down FIRST and FOREMOST!!