Wigan in relegation dogfight

[ian.birchall]

how much longer are the rest of you going to be in denial, join the TAP must go party before it is too late.
Still next week we play another team who look to be just as poor, oh no, they win their second halfs. woe woe thrice woe

[DaveO]

ian.birchall posted:
how much longer are the rest of you going to be in denial, join the TAP must go party before it is too late.
Still next week we play another team who look to be just as poor, oh no, they win their second halfs. woe woe thrice woe

At best these lost points have wiped out any chance of a top two finish already. I know that assumes we could actually get our act together and complete which seems far from likely on todays result.

However, the point I am making is that games lost now cost you later and have already affected our potential success this season.

You can't win one form four and expect to finish in the top two.

Unless there is a radical improvement and quickly we will not make the six and will be involved in another relegation fight.

If that comes to pass I am afriad Millward will have to go come the end of the season. Last year we had the excuse of an appalling and unprecidented injury situation compounded by letting Farrell leave.

Rads retirement isn't a good enough excuse for another season of under acheivement. Millward is supposed to have had a hand in the recruitment of several of our squad so the buck stops with him.

I am preperared to give him the season to see where we finish but if it is remotely close to the relegation zone he will have failed and there can't be any excuses for that.

Dave

[turf]

If we are not careful, we will be preparing of a season in National League one next year!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on Wigan!!!!!!!!!! What's up with the boys!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jinkin jimmy]

DaveO posted:

ian.birchall posted:
how much longer are the rest of you going to be in denial, join the TAP must go party before it is too late.
Still next week we play another team who look to be just as poor, oh no, they win their second halfs. woe woe thrice woe

At best these lost points have wiped out any chance of a top two finish already. I know that assumes we could actually get our act together and complete which seems far from likely on todays result.

However, the point I am making is that games lost now cost you later and have already affected our potential success this season.

You can't win one form four and expect to finish in the top two.

Unless there is a radical improvement and quickly we will not make the six and will be involved in another relegation fight.

If that comes to pass I am afriad Millward will have to go come the end of the season. Last year we had the excuse of an appalling and unprecidented injury situation compounded by letting Farrell leave.

Rads retirement isn't a good enough excuse for another season of under acheivement. Millward is supposed to have had a hand in the recruitment of several of our squad so the buck stops with him.

I am preperared to give him the season to see where we finish but if it is remotely close to the relegation zone he will have failed and there can't be any excuses for that.

Dave

DaveO, I couldn't get there tonight. I was late getting home from the airport having been away on business for a couple of days.

Extremely disappointing result obviously, but aren't you getting a little bit carried away? Last season was an unmitigated disaster but we were never involved in a relegation dogfight as you posted!!

I am as disappointed as you but hysterical posts don't change a thing. Has Millward suddenly forgot how to coach? I think not. as the legendary Jack Gibson once said, "the better your players, the better you coach".

Rightly, you can come back with the fact that Basil had a hand in our new signings. As I said, I didn't go tonight. Was our awful result down to bad signings?

[DaveO]

jinkin jimmy posted:

I am as disappointed as you but hysterical posts don't change a thing. Has Millward suddenly forgot how to coach?

A very good question. Brown at 13, Higham at 6 at one point. Swapping Dallas and Ashton positions.

Three half backs and two hookers on the pitch at the same time.

You tell me if he has forgotten how to coach.

As to a relegation fight last year we were very close to it and this bunch don't look much better at the minute but I do think Millward is making things worse by doing as I describe above.

He has now played four different players at 6 and at least three different players at 13. All in four games.

I think not. as the legendary Jack Gibson once said, "the better your players, the better you coach".

True but does that mean Millward wasn't that good at Saints because he had good players?

Rightly, you can come back with the fact that Basil had a hand in our new signings. As I said, I didn't go tonight. Was our awful result down to bad signings?

I am with Fraggle on this one. Mystified.

Dave

[jinkin jimmy]

Dave, If you don't mind sparing the time please enlighten me on tonights performance. I know all on here are really passionate but all are too busy moaning and people like myself who missed the game need to know more detail.

AFAIK we were behind all game. Did we never stand a chance of winning? Outplayed, out thought, out manoeuvred, what?

[First Try Tickle]

to be honest we never looked like making a break or scoring after the 1st 15 minutes. we got a try from a kick but that was it. we were poor but salford where running through us with ease.
Millward swapped abit, but they didnt seem up to the heavy snow.
we struggled in the middle as usual, with moran running around in circles looking for a stand off or a forward.
and the so called play makers ie orr,brown were very quiet again.
poor performance really...the weather made a big difference, but you need to grind some wins out and we just didn't...

[jinkin jimmy]

I would have thought that our newly added weight up front would have paid dividends tonight. However, I have posted elsewhere that I have personally heard our antipodeans whingeing about our weather. I landed at Manchester Airport to a blizzard today and was instantly worried that it might not be our night.

[Matthew]

What oh what is going on?

Millward says he is angry - well surprise, surprise I would suggest 99.9% of Wigan fans are pretty upset too.

On paper we have a better squad than last year - our centre and wing partnerships should be the match of any side in the league. We have decent props and generally our forwards are of a good standard. Even if the half backs are poor (and I'm being nice) then there should be enough talent on the field to still score tries. Not every try in super league comes from a pass from the scrum half or a kick from a stand off.

People have blamed the half back combinations - however from what I read the only person who looked the part was Godwin - who hasn't even been given a starting spot!

Millward may be angry - however he must take a large part of the blame - it is his job to give the players a game plan and make sure they have had enough practice to execute it. It is up to him to motivate the players to get the job done. If pride is not enough that perhaps they should think about where their pay cheques come from.

People have blamed the ref and against France I would have agreed - but it can't ALWAYS be their faults; we need to accept that if we continue the way we are going then the place we are going is down.

We need to stop all this messing about with swapping players all over the shop - we need to do the basics and we need to do them well.

There is no reason why the team on paper should not give any team in super league a good run for their money - to get eclipsed by Salford? - a team that contains at least two Wigan cast offs?

If we are in the bottom two by the time we get to Good Friday, expect another rout and shortly afterward another coach

[100% Warrior]

I know we're all disappointed with the start we've made to the season but surely we don't all expect everything to change overnight.

It's OK blaming the coach but at the end of the day it's the players who are out on the park who aren't performing, but you have to take into account we have virtually a new team this season and it will take time to sort out.

I have to admit though we still don't have any control from half back and too often we are relying on ploughing down the middle.

I'm sure we all agree even though the weather was awful last night there can be no excuses as Salford had to play in the same conditions.

However, at such an early point of the season we can't be talking about another new coach, that's where most of the trouble comes from, chopping and changing all the time ... we need stability (also half backs who control the play!)