13 aside

[donny]

i remember going down to central park to watch thirteen players , no subs no 4 tackles or 6 tackles they played untill they lost the ball,they played in front of massive crowds and it was just as exiting as it is today. i dont think they need all these subs they never used to have them it would certainly cut costs without them.

[ancientnloyal]

Hmmm... what to make of this thread. :doz:

You try playing 80 minutes non stop in the centre of the pitch against some of the fittest men in the country.

Of course we need subs! a game where we didnt have 6 tackles, or 4? what are you on about? these rules changed when we broke away from Union to speed the game up... remember it? how old are you? 119?

do you know this is a RUGBY LEAGUE message board? or know the rules?

[can i get a pioneer]

FACT 4 tackles was introduced in 1966 then increased to 6 tackles in 1972 not when it broke away from rugby union in 1895

[Likely_Lad]

OWNED.

[donny]

yes i suppose i am remembering the past,nothing wrong with that,the sound of the entry of the gladiators still sends a shiver up my spine.any way they were still playing the old way in 1966,they probabley had 1 substitute then. and as for substites now i say do away with them,we dont need them ,the game may be faster but its certainly not better.

[donny]

to ancient and loyal, you may be ancient and loyal but so am i. also i can say what i want as long as i dont offend anybody,
i am new to this site and if i have upset you i will not bother again. so appolagise for your comment then we can be friends in the future.

[dawbz]

Totally different game now, some of the older guys that i talk to (and i'm no young pup) say "we used to train on meat pies and a pint", i'm affraid with the speed and the fitness of these guys today meat pies and a pint would not work don't you think?.
With the pace of the game you need the subs you can't expect a forwrd to run around the field for 80 mins these days (unless his name is Stuart Fielden).
It's only my opinion but the fact that the game is faster makes it better, sorry if if the older guys disagree with me on this one.

[DaveO]

dawbz posted:
It's only my opinion but the fact that the game is faster makes it better, sorry if if the older guys disagree with me on this one.

The game has evolved to the degree it does need the subs I think.

The 10m rule (along with going full time) was one of the most significant changes in this regard IMO. If we were still playing off 5m then it would be a different game.

I think 5m was better than 10m because you had to have cleverer half backs and the roles of scrum half and stand off were quite a bit different. You saw many more chip kicks over the top for example.

I get the impression the RFL (and the Aussies) introduce rather strange rules to try and control the way the game is going rather than sit down and look at the whole picture.

For example the "dominant tackle" rule slows down the PTB but if were were playing off 5m simply would not be needed.

So while I can see the need for subs I don't think all the rule changes over the years have been for the better.

Dave

[DaveO]

ancientnloyal posted:
Hmmm... what to make of this thread. :doz:

You try playing 80 minutes non stop in the centre of the pitch against some of the fittest men in the country.

Of course we need subs! a game where we didnt have 6 tackles, or 4? what are you on about? these rules changed when we broke away from Union to speed the game up... remember it? how old are you? 119?

do you know this is a RUGBY LEAGUE message board? or know the rules?

You will be telling us next that when the game broke away from RU it went to 13 players from day one.

FYI it was a hundred years ago this year that this happened.

Dave

[GeoffN]

ancientnloyal posted:
Hmmm... what to make of this thread. :doz:

You try playing 80 minutes non stop in the centre of the pitch against some of the fittest men in the country.

Of course we need subs! a game where we didnt have 6 tackles, or 4? what are you on about? these rules changed when we broke away from Union to speed the game up... remember it? how old are you? 119?

do you know this is a RUGBY LEAGUE message board? or know the rules?

I think you need to brush up on your history!
this is a pretty good place to start, for a good summary:
http://www.napit.co.uk/viewus/infobank/ ... istory.php