the big i posted:
Silverwood can be very clever sometimes with the way he awards penalties. It seems that if the penalty count is against one side and if they are losing by quite a way he awards them a load of penalties just to even it out so it doesnt suggest in the match reports that he has shown bias towards either team.
Not true. The penalty count is often a reflection of the score. If a side loses the penalty count they often lose the game.
Sides giving away lots of penalties do a lot more defending and hence generally conceed a lot more points.
If a referee was to inconsistently apply the rules to losing sides the coaches would raise hell about it.
It does signal that referee has had a good game if he isnt noticed that much. Anyway silverwood must have had a good game because saints lost!
Not necassarily, it could just mean both teams are being well disciplined.
robjoenz posted:
The penalty count is often a reflection of the score. If a side loses the penalty count they often lose the game.
Well how is that when a side is reduced by one man (either by send off or sin binning), the same side always appears to gets more penalties during that period that the players is off.
Its as if the referee is trying to keep them competitive, and not dispirit them for the shortfall.
robjoenz posted:
it could just mean both teams are being well disciplined.
In other words. the referee is applying the correct interpretation of the rules, and the players know where they stand, and are not confused by the decisions, in order for frustration to get the better of them.
robjoenz posted:
The penalty count is often a reflection of the score. If a side loses the penalty count they often lose the game.
Well how is that when a side is reduced by one man (either by send off or sin binning), the same side always appears to gets more penalties during that period that the players is off.
Its as if the referee is trying to keep them competitive, and not dispirit them for the shortfall.
That's in your imagination... if the referee wanted the game to be nice and even he wouldn't make things complicated for himself by sin-binning/dismissing a player. Think about it!
robjoenz posted:
If a referee was to inconsistently apply the rules to losing sides the coaches would raise hell about it.
And that hasn't happened then has it????? No meetings with Stuart Cummings???
Of course they have meetings but Cummings from time to time and speak when they don't understand things. To suggest that referees are inconsistent because they are cheats is stupid though.
robjoenz posted:
it could just mean both teams are being well disciplined.
In other words. the referee is applying the correct interpretation of the rules, and the players know where they stand, and are not confused by the decisions, in order for frustration to get the better of them.
There could be a high penalty count though and the referee still have a good game. Sometimes, no matter how well a referee handles a game players don't want to play to the rules.
Similarly, a referee could let too many incidents go unpunished to try and get the game to flow and not be noticed. However, the game may go chaotic.
The best referees make their presence known, they prevent potential incidents occuring before they occur and deal with incidents that do occur in a confident manner always ensuring they (and the other officials in the team) were in the best position to make a call.
it would be an interesting excercise to put the ref's in a game as players just to see how many decisions they agree/disagree with,and let them see what it is like from a players point of view.
robjoenz posted:
The penalty count is often a reflection of the score. If a side loses the penalty count they often lose the game.
Well how is that when a side is reduced by one man (either by send off or sin binning), the same side always appears to gets more penalties during that period that the players is off.
Its as if the referee is trying to keep them competitive, and not dispirit them for the shortfall.
That's in your imagination... if the referee wanted the game to be nice and even he wouldn't make things complicated for himself by sin-binning/dismissing a player. Think about it!
My Imagination! the number of times this does actually happen is greater than you would imagine! As for not dismissing a player (bin or other), for foul play - are you honestly suggesting this goes on in order to make a referee's life easier? Your statement reads that way!
As for this statement: "Sides giving away lots of penalties do a lot more defending and hence generally concede a lot more points." Not exactly worked with Wigan has it? Despite being near the bottom of the "Fair Play League", and the numerous penalties conceded, we are still in 4th spot (pre-any possible points deduction). So you're as guilty of generalising as I am
robjoenz posted:
Of course they have meetings but Cummings from time to time and speak when they don't understand things. To suggest that referees are inconsistent because they are cheats is stupid though.
Where have I said on this notice board that Referees cheat? Your confusing me with someone else or giving the usual blank excuse that all referees like to give for their decisions. (Claiming that we all think they cheat anyway)
