Fair enough Geoff, but what is the point of making all those tackles that everyone praises, then turn around and give penaltys away, besides that, he should know how to carry a ball properly and not in the laxydasical way he was carrying when he gifted them a try, still don't think he is Wigan standard :exc:
But all you can fault him for are a couple of penalties and one lost ball. Any other player (or his coach) would be delighted with such a low error count.
If you're going to be fair all round, pick on Hock for missing Cayless for their first try and missing Roby leading up to their second, or Richards for 3 penalties and two knock-ons, or Colbon for 3 knock-ons, or Higham for two high tackles, or McIlorum for not playing the ball properly, or...
Fair enough Geoff, but what is the point of making all those tackles that everyone praises, then turn around and give penaltys away, besides that, he should know how to carry a ball properly and not in the laxydasical way he was carrying when he gifted them a try, still don't think he is Wigan standard :exc:
But all you can fault him for are a couple of penalties and one lost ball. Any other player (or his coach) would be delighted with such a low error count.
If you're going to be fair all round, pick on Hock for missing Cayless for their first try and missing Roby leading up to their second, or Richards for 3 penalties and two knock-ons, or Colbon for 3 knock-ons, or Higham for two high tackles, or McIlorum for not playing the ball properly, or...
But for some reason none of these players have as big a rep as Lockers, it is more noticeable when he does something stupid, if he didn't get so much praise in the first place Geoff, maybe he wouldn't get knocked so often
ok lockers handed stains a try but what about hock this season when we beat salford 25-6 he dropped the ball over the line about 3 times and has done it on other occasions aswell everyone makes mistakes it just wasn't lockers night
Fair enough Geoff, but what is the point of making all those tackles that everyone praises, then turn around and give penaltys away, besides that, he should know how to carry a ball properly and not in the laxydasical way he was carrying when he gifted them a try, still don't think he is Wigan standard :exc:
But all you can fault him for are a couple of penalties and one lost ball. Any other player (or his coach) would be delighted with such a low error count.
If you're going to be fair all round, pick on Hock for missing Cayless for their first try and missing Roby leading up to their second, or Richards for 3 penalties and two knock-ons, or Colbon for 3 knock-ons, or Higham for two high tackles, or McIlorum for not playing the ball properly, or...
But for some reason none of these players have as big a rep as Lockers, it is more noticeable when he does something stupid, if he didn't get so much praise in the first place Geoff, maybe he wouldn't get knocked so often
Barrett get lots of praise,but none of the stick that Lockers gets. O'loughlin dropping the ball gifts saints a try, but Saints first try came from a mistake from Barrett and doesn't get a mention. Your obsessed with O'loughlin and waiting for him to make a mistake.
GeoffN posted:
But all you can fault him for are a couple of penalties and one lost ball. Any other player (or his coach) would be delighted with such a low error count.
If you're going to be fair all round, pick on Hock for missing Cayless for their first try and missing Roby leading up to their second, or Richards for 3 penalties and two knock-ons, or Colbon for 3 knock-ons, or Higham for two high tackles, or McIlorum for not playing the ball properly, or...
But for some reason none of these players have as big a rep as Lockers, it is more noticeable when he does something stupid, if he didn't get so much praise in the first place Geoff, maybe he wouldn't get knocked so often
Barrett get lots of praise,but none of the stick that Lockers gets. O'loughlin dropping the ball gifts saints a try, but Saints first try came from a mistake from Barrett and doesn't get a mention. Your obsessed with O'loughlin and waiting for him to make a mistake.
I'm not obsessed, this is the first time i've mention him in about 2 months, and it was another poster who said he only made one mistake, i was just putting the record straight
After watching the Saints game and bits of another game, both players have their bad points. Barrett is a bit sly, gives away more high shots than Lockers. In the Saints game O'Loughlin made a few mistakes, most notably the knock on, but he compensates for that with the hard work he does. Same with Barrett.
Regarding O'Loughlin making 52 tackles in a game though, he's allowed to make a couple of mistakes.
has to be said though.. was a quality tackle from tht Flannery or w.e his name is. He looks quite good... unfortunatley.
The only thing O'loughlin could have done was not lead with the ball carrying arm but when this happens its very rare that someone puts such a tackle in.
What is interesting is how players are perceived. You ask anybody if Pat had a good game defensively? 'Yes, great, much better than that big time charlie, Ashton blah blah' Watch the video. Richards concedes a penalty going high on Gardener, Richards fails to stop Roby leading to Meli scoring. Nowhere will Pat get criticised and I am not saying he should. However, rightly or wrongly, if Ashton had made those 2 errors he would have been slated. Likewise, if Lockers makes a mistake, he gets slated.
Gareth Hock for me was our man of the match. Great game. However, he made an almighty blunder for their first try. Does anybody comment? Meli try. I think I am right that Roby danced past Feka and Pat failed to stop him ball and all. Lockers made an error, a bad one. It was bad because we had survived very strongly a great Saints opportunity following their 40-20. Even after that mistake, at least one, maybe 2 players made the mistake of taking the dummy from Pryce. I can gaurantee not one of the aforementioned players intended to make a mistakes. This may sound a contradiction BUT the players trying the hardest tend to make the most mistakes. Mickey came back on late and made 2 howlers.
Mistakes happen. If they did you would never see a try scored. Sport is reliant on mistakes.
I reached the following conclusion after rewatching the game. Nightmare start. BTW, controversial BUT I think having no props helped us. By that I mean we became extremely mobile and faster across the defence. Once we readjusted Saints got no glory from scooting at big men. I actually think that is why we have looked good with Fletcher at prop recently. Afterwards we played well. So many repeat sets. Our attack could have been better. Saints are great defensively. We were too. SL sides are better defensively now. They are lagging way behind with ball in hand. Attack is much harder to get better than defence. So SL becomes a constant complete, kick/chase bashathon in these circumstances. Who is going to make the mistake. Alas, we did once and they did once. We cancelled each other out and they held on.
Hock had his best game since v Widnes. McILorrum looks like he is a seasoned SL player not a novice. Biggest bonus this season IMO. Hansen is on the verge and promising more. The rest bust a gut.
As Chris JJ said, quality hit. I mentioned earlier this season, some NRL coaches strongly advocate that the first tackler must go to the ball carrying arm/side. It works as we saw.
cpwigan posted:
As Chris JJ said, quality hit. I mentioned earlier this season, some NRL coaches strongly advocate that the first tackler must go to the ball carrying arm/side. It works as we saw.
