Contract Chaos

[cpwigan]

You obviously did not watch many games DOD. Lowe was a more adventurous coach than Monie. By 86/87 the brand of RL under Lowe was fantastic. Indeed, the set moves under Lowe surpass any used in SL now by any team.

[pedro]

so we have to sign 20 huge slow unskillful guys and we will be in......terrible.

Whe has he ever built a succesful team?

he inherited one but never built one

[cpwigan]

Referring to somebody you do not know personally by their surname in the context mentioned is hardly an offence.

I personally find the lemmings clapping Noble like demented seals before a match far more offensive. He has earned nothing at this club and drags our reputation down with his ludicrous attempts to mimic Jack Gibson.

Noble must go.

[FROM A TO B]

Referring to somebody you do not know personally by their surname in the context mentioned is hardly an offence.

I personally find the lemmings clapping Noble like demented seals before a match far more offensive. He has earned nothing at this club and drags our reputation down with his ludicrous attempts to mimic Jack Gibson.

Noble must go.

why are you offended by people who have paid their hard earned cash to voice their own opinion. I was one of those lemmings in the bar after the match and I have every respect for Nobby. It is obvious that things are not right, but going back to sacking the coach after a couple of seasons will get us no where. I for one will still give him my support whilst he is at Wigan and unraveling all the damage done by agent Millward.
I can understand the frustration and why some see Nobby as the route of all evil, but find your lemmings comments somewhat offensive (as no doubt Nobby found when he was called Noble).

[gillysmyhero]

Someone else in my group said "if it doesn't happen next season Noble you should hand your contract in".Noble
walked off,then as he got to the doors he turned round & came back to us & said"your entitled to your opinions but show some respect,call me Brian,Nobby or mr Noble.His mask slipped and i can imagine from his reaction that he is not someone who likes to be told he is wrong.He also likes the back slapping,but doesn't like to be criticised.

We weren't rude or disrespectful to him,we just said told him that after another humiliating performance that we weren't happy.We weren't impressed by him at all.

I am sure you weren't rude but would you like to be referred to by your surname in that way? I am far from his biggest fan but I think Noble's response to that was fair enough. What you said about Riddell was fine and even the boring rugby bit. That is fair criticism and if he can't take it well all I can say is it goes with the territory.

However I don't think the way the other member of the group phrased it by saying "if it doesn't happen next season Noble you should hand your contract in." was very polite or going to get anyone anywhere.

In fact while we may all feel this I don't think there was much point in saying it at all. I am sure he knows next season is make or break anyway.

Dave

Have only just picked up this thread, but everything you said Dave is spot on. I can understand Brian Noble reacting in this way if he was addressed by his surname. Most people on here would react ina similar fashion. I'm getting a bit tired of this Nobby bashing on here. People may not like the bloke and not think he's the right man for the job but some comments go too far.

so morph which comments go too far. Undiplomatic maybe but the facts r we do play boring rugby & are cluless at times.

[DaveO]

Referring to somebody you do not know personally by their surname in the context mentioned is hardly an offence.

In the context described by gilly I disagree. I don't think it was meant as a friendly comment, the opposite in fact. Obviously I wasn't there but it sounds like it was a bit of a parting shot and was possible said with some disdain. I am sure gilly can correct me if I am wrong. Gilly's own comments seem quite justifiable and reasonable but his mates seem inappropriate and a it pointless.

I personally find the lemmings clapping Noble like demented seals before a match far more offensive. He has earned nothing at this club and drags our reputation down with his ludicrous attempts to mimic Jack Gibson.

Well that's a different thing altogether and you know I am not a Noble fan and given the chance I'd question him to his face myself. But I wouldn't do it by being rude to the man. What's the point?

Dave

[trotski_tgwu]

Referring to somebody you do not know personally by their surname in the context mentioned is hardly an offence.

In the context described by gilly I disagree. I don't think it was meant as a friendly comment, the opposite in fact. Obviously I wasn't there but it sounds like it was a bit of a parting shot and was possible said with some disdain. I am sure gilly can correct me if I am wrong. Gilly's own comments seem quite justifiable and reasonable but his mates seem inappropriate and a it pointless.

I personally find the lemmings clapping Noble like demented seals before a match far more offensive. He has earned nothing at this club and drags our reputation down with his ludicrous attempts to mimic Jack Gibson.

Well that's a different thing altogether and you know I am not a Noble fan and given the chance I'd question him to his face myself. But I wouldn't do it by being rude to the man. What's the point?

Dave

Not often i agree with Dave O but on this i do. Does everyone not remember being called by there last name as a kid at school. I for one hated that and found it offencive.

[cpwigan]

I agree with Dave O in the sense you can use the surname and convey 2 very different emotions. Working in education, the use of surnames is more prevalent. Whilst I would personally not use a surname to condascend/humiliate a student. I have used surnames when a short/sharp rebuke was needed. In that context, it means STOP. I have also used it in a light hearted manner with smile on my face. In that context, it means a host of things. Surname use also depends on the actual surname.

What I can say to you is that as someone who has worked with 000's of people my surname has been used quite readily. Good and bad. It comes with the territory. Likewise, do you think Noble was actually reacting solely to the surname use or really the criticism.

As for the lemmings clapping like seals. A/B I said BEFORE matches. Please tell me he does not get the same treatment in the bar too? I do not clap the coach or the players pre match. If they do something good I clap. I am mystified why somebody should receive applause for failure. Why?

If I was to see Noble and wanted to express that I wanted him to resign. I would say it is time to call it a day Noble. If I added Mr Noble, it would be insincere. Brian too personal. Nobby, we are not friends.

To be frank however you wrap it up, HE needs to go. He is clueless and useless.

[DaveO]

I agree with Dave O in the sense you can use the surname and convey 2 very different emotions.

Well that's the point I was trying to make. From what Gilly posted it sounded to me like it was used in a derogatory way.

I do think Gilly's own comments were justified and I am glad he put them to Noble and in what sounds like a reasonable way. They needed to be said!

We may or may not like or believe Nobles's response depending on our viewpoint but at least he knows he hasn't got a blank cheque for loyalty of all the fans.

Regardless of all this Noble must himself know he must get the squad he has next year playing better or risk not getting the contract extension.

Dave

[pedro]

"NOBLE" used this because he couldnt hit back with anything because he knows the fan is right. He is reffered to in most places as Noble and sure he wouldnt have minded if it was "well done Noble". Its laughable saying have some respect. He has lost all mine turning my club into a laughing stock.

It seems to me that he doesnt like the truth and it seems to run in the camp as Veivers has the same problem!