noble is a good coach

[bikerharry]

Also, as the title of this thread states, yes Noble is a good coach, but in my honest opinion, not good enough.

[jackoh]

I can`t believe we still have lets keep N
oble fans on this site where have you been . Noble should have been sacked last year after the Millenium stuffing by Stains .
Noble has got us nowhere after 3 years .
Yet some still want him after all our troubles . It beggars belief .
What has he done for Wigan .

[jaws1]

The crux of the matter at Wigan is that we have no board of Directors IL is a one man band what is needed are more directors on the board with money to back them to make decisions easy.He has the last say in who we sign who he sacks it was a shoddy way to release Mathers who read it in the paper .Nobby deserves to know whether he going or staying.All the top SL teams have 6 or more directors.

[cpwigan]

Harry you will not get any argument from me that the potential is there. SL in 2009 is weaker than ever at the top with both Saints and Leeds in transition. The overall standard is probably better with wins having to be earned BUT no club/no team is under achieving more than Wigan because as you rightly say we have the players and if you compared Wigan v Warrington many of the Wire players were poorer or no better than their Wigan counterpart.

Something has to change. If it is the coach and backroom staff (especially Forshaw) then so be it but for whatever reason the big name players are letting Wigan RLFC down. you cannot pay players so much and get so little from them.

why do you dislike forshaw

It's not a question of liking or disliking Ellery. As a player I rated Mike Forshaw more than many did. However, as a conditioner he is woeful. He is an ex player who flitted between various jobs in RL post playing some that had no connection with conditioning whatsoever. He seemed to just fall into becoming a conditioner. He is not overly qualified for the position.

Ask any Warrington fan about Mike Forshaw as a conditioner and they will laugh in your face and say best move they ever made getting rid of him. His lack of expertise shines through when handling players who have extreme physiques such as Feka and Pryce. Those types of players really need expert conditioning. Neither has improved conditioning wise. Feka is less effective and Pryce pulls up with injuries regularly which was a common trait of Forshaw at Warrington.

The bottom line is that as a conditioner Forshaw is not good enough. As a player I admired him. As a person I have no idea and to be truthful he could be Idi Amin as long as he was a world class conditioner.

[ellery 4 coach]

ok just asking

[cpwigan]

Not a problem Ellery

It just irks when I see Fui Fui Moi Moi and how he has been transformed and is playing

The foundation for this triumph was established by their forwards. Led by the ''Wild Thing'', Fuifui Moimoi, the Eels pack totally outmuscled and dominated their Newcastle opponents.

Moimoi has grown in stature over the years. Always a crowd favourite, the big man used to struggle to play extended periods in matches. He used to give in to fatigue too easily and was essentially used as a short-term shock tactic off the interchange bench. These days his motor is running on high-octane fuel and he regularly puts effort on top of effort in both attack and defence.

When he revved up and charged with the ball yesterday the Knights retreated.

Whereas we seem unable to do anything right with Feka.

[ellery 4 coach]

moi moi another we nearly signed who will end up at saints or leeds lol

[exile in Tiger country]

Can anyone name a coach with a better first class rugby league record (not reserve level or second in command) that Wigan could get to take on the role?
I don't want a "he might be a good coach in the future" attitude taken with our team.
If we can't get a Wayne Bennett or equally proven coach, then I don't think we should rock the boat too hard.
We are on the brink, we just need Noble to accept that only playing from game 10 or 11 onwrds isn't good enough.
And to get rid of Fielden of course.

[Panchitta Marra]

Harry you will not get any argument from me that the potential is there. SL in 2009 is weaker than ever at the top with both Saints and Leeds in transition. The overall standard is probably better with wins having to be earned BUT no club/no team is under achieving more than Wigan because as you rightly say we have the players and if you compared Wigan v Warrington many of the Wire players were poorer or no better than their Wigan counterpart.

Something has to change. If it is the coach and backroom staff (especially Forshaw) then so be it but for whatever reason the big name players are letting Wigan RLFC down. you cannot pay players so much and get so little from them.

why do you dislike forshaw

Forshaw is the best move Warrington made, apart from their appointment of Tony Smith.
Wire fans were laughing their cxxcxs off when they got shot and he came here.
Paleasina and Pryce are typical examples of Wigan's conditioning.
Who conditions those players ????

[cpwigan]

For me I I would settle for club consistency and rock solid direction. If we decide to stick with Brian Noble , fine, let's back him to the hilt and support his coaching choices. I might not like aspects of his coaching, but if the decision is made that he's our man I'll stick with him.

What worries me though is that our club is not consistent and you get the distinct impression that the club chairman and coach are operating like a push-me-pull-you in terms of overall direction.

Let's take for example, Youth Development. IL has publicly stated that it's insanity to pay top dollar for oversea stars that use up disproportionate salary cap at a rubbish AU$ exchange rate. That's a great strategy. I can see the genuine sense in that logic. In the shorter term we can reduce some aspects of the wage bill. Longer term, the overseas cap on quota players is reducing so now's the time to start blooding younger lads. If we're slightly at a disadvantage for a year or so, okay. A team with more home grown players will quiet the critics who call for more Wiganers in it, and we'll reep the longer term rewards compared to other teams more reliant on journeymen and older Aussies.

But while the chairman is publicly stating this defined club strategy, 3 months earlier he's off signing Martin Gleeson from Wire. A good player granted, but
what does this say? Hang on, are we buying players or growing players? We've just grown a young centre, number 3, Darryl Goulding? Which is it? Or is our strategy, mostly grow players, but buy at a whim and change direction whenever?

Excellent post Rich. Especially the bit I have highlighted.