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MrDave wrote:As Wigan fans we can't really call Wire cheats when they haven't broken any rules considering Wigan have broken the rules more than any other team.
Correction.

Wigan have been caught breaking/contravening rules to the "spirit" of the game. Just because Warrington have not been "caught" does not mean that there are no illicit dealings by them! There is a difference.
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so to fit all these players under the salary cap NEXT SEASON exactly who is leaving to make room,because the rumor i heard was that when matt king was takeing a massive chunk of there salary cap budjet.
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butt monkey wrote:
MrDave wrote:As Wigan fans we can't really call Wire cheats when they haven't broken any rules considering Wigan have broken the rules more than any other team.
Correction.

Wigan have been caught breaking/contravening rules to the "spirit" of the game. Just because Warrington have not been "caught" does not mean that there are no illicit dealings by them! There is a difference.
The fact Wire have not been 'caught' breaking the rules could be because they are not breaking the rules.

We will see at the start of next season whether Wire are in the wrong but even if they do fit all their signings under the cap people will still claim that the RFL is allowing them to cheat.
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MrDave wrote:
butt monkey wrote:
MrDave wrote:As Wigan fans we can't really call Wire cheats when they haven't broken any rules considering Wigan have broken the rules more than any other team.
Correction.

Wigan have been caught breaking/contravening rules to the "spirit" of the game. Just because Warrington have not been "caught" does not mean that there are no illicit dealings by them! There is a difference.
The fact Wire have not been 'caught' breaking the rules could be because they are not breaking the rules.
Does this mean that a murderer who has not been caught is not a murderer by the same logic?

This might be about "creativity" as far as using the ambiguity of a salary cap and the ability to "bend/twist" payments in order for them to not count. A good accountant and great legal team will always beat the law/system!
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butt monkey wrote:
MrDave wrote:
butt monkey wrote: Correction.

Wigan have been caught breaking/contravening rules to the "spirit" of the game. Just because Warrington have not been "caught" does not mean that there are no illicit dealings by them! There is a difference.
The fact Wire have not been 'caught' breaking the rules could be because they are not breaking the rules.
Does this mean that a murderer who has not been caught is not a murderer by the same logic?

This might be about "creativity" as far as using the ambiguity of a salary cap and the ability to "bend/twist" payments in order for them to not count. A good accountant and great legal team will always beat the law/system!
By no means, it would just mean that innocent people are not branded as murderers, you can't catch a murderer if no murder has been committed.

If Warrington have not broken the rules you can't expect them to be punished for anything. If Warrington's lawyers and accountants have found to "bend" the rules then those exploits are open for all teams to use.

Why brand Wire as cheats if all they have done is work "creatively" within the rules. Any business or sports team will want to get as much as they can out of any situation and perhaps at the moment Wire are getting a bit more than others.
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God wrote:
jammie wrote:so to fit all these players under the salary cap NEXT SEASON exactly who is leaving to make room,because the rumor i heard was that when matt king was takeing a massive chunk of there salary cap budjet.
Moimoi is is going to take Paul Rauhihi's contract because hes retiring. (36) unless Paul is a top earner at the club which is highly unlikely how will they top Moimois wages up??

Hes a top earner at Para with the likes of Hindmarsh and Eric Groth and with the star players Warrington have it just seems like something fishy is going on. Then i read the treats his family are getting, 02 arena gigs for free with the full works and it clicked.

Hes not employing family and friends etc within the club hes giving family freebes out of his own back pocket which wont count on the cap and there is no way of accounting for it.

The salary cap may be live but his nemourus other banks not connected with the salary cap wont be live and he can do whatever he pleases with his money, thats a fact.

Do you really think the people behind the salary cap will have all of his bank accounts on record?? because i for one dont think they do. Maybe the clubs bank account and rightly so but not his personal LLoyds Tsb platinum plus bank account. Or whatever he has, probably Austrian bank account.

Can you imagine it. Why have you taken £300,000 out of your bank account. "My Mrs needed a new ring", Have you got the reciept??? "No". How can they proove anything when the players have Australian bank accounts anyway, they would have to accuse players of reciving money from false means, that would open up a massive can of worms the rfl wont be able to handle, so they just leave it.
they are cheating end of
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ian b wrote:they are cheating end of
Which I think is most fan's opinion regardless of whether the RFL care to investigate this correctly or not.

How can a side be filled with internationals from NZ/Australia/GB etc, from 2-13 (disregarding Mathers :roll: :lol: ) Yet STILL be under the salary cap?

Are these players so desperate to play so cheaply for Warrington that all other club's offers fade into obscurity when contracts are mentioned? Or are they simply signing for the club because they can offer the best deals because they can circumvent the cap better than any other?
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butt monkey wrote:
ian b wrote:they are cheating end of
Which I think is most fan's opinion regardless of whether the RFL care to investigate this correctly or not.

How can a side be filled with internationals from NZ/Australia/GB etc, from 2-13 (disregarding Mathers :roll: :lol: ) Yet STILL be under the salary cap?

Are these players so desperate to play so cheaply for Warrington that all other club's offers fade into obscurity when contracts are mentioned? Or are they simply signing for the club because they can offer the best deals because they can circumvent the cap better than any other?
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God wrote: Hes not employing family and friends etc within the club hes giving family freebes out of his own back pocket which wont count on the cap and there is no way of accounting for it.
But things like that do count on the cap. If a player or his family receive any benefits in kind the RFL deem to be as a result of his contract with a club it goes onto his salary cap value no matter who pays it.
The salary cap may be live but his nemourus other banks not connected with the salary cap wont be live and he can do whatever he pleases with his money, thats a fact.
So why aren't all the clubs doing exactly the same thing? If the salary cap was this easy to get around it would not be worth the paper it's written on. Why did we go to the lengths we did under Mo not to break it? Why not just do as you suggest and get Dave Whelan to make the payments you are saying the Wire chairman is making?

Lets suppose all the other chairman are scrupulously honest and stick to the cap. Do you think they would not be asking questions of the RFL if they thought one team had found a way around the cap or were flouting it in some way?

Finally lets suppose he has found a loophole that means he can get around the cap within the rules. That is when the "not on the spirit of the cap" comes in. We didn't actually break the cap but got done by this rule. If Wire have found a way around it then doing so isn't in the spirit of the cap is it!
Can you imagine it. Why have you taken £300,000 out of your bank account. "My Mrs needed a new ring", Have you got the reciept??? "No". How can they proove anything when the players have Australian bank accounts anyway, they would have to accuse players of reciving money from false means, that would open up a massive can of worms the rfl wont be able to handle, so they just leave it.
The idea a chairman can pay players a back hander and it not come out eventually is just not realistic.

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