Wigan Warriors v Harlquins

[GeoffN]

Dave, the winger should catch a kick if it goes to his opposing winger otherwise he is at fault. Full Stop. You forgot to add we missed GOULDING.

No, it's a 50/50 ball, which is why so many tries are scored from that tactic. Also, the defending winger doesn't usually have the palm-back option that the attacker has, which again is why it's used so much. If Sharp had caught the ball and scored, I'd agree Ainy was at fault, but he was forced into the palm back to an unmarked player who should have been marked.

In any case, you're concentrating on magnifying one slight possible error, while ignoring much worse ones from the rest of the team. Why try and single him out at all?

[DaveO]

Dave, the winger should catch a kick if it goes to his opposing winger otherwise he is at fault. Full Stop. You forgot to add we missed GOULDING.

Goulding would not have made a blind bit of difference tonight. What exactly would he have done? Just like Ainscough he would have been stuck out there on the right passing the time of day with himself for most of the match.

Now if you mean playing centre that's different. Bailey was so poor it was IMO a virtual career ending performance as a centre for him.

I will tell you one thing Goulding would not have done. Caught the Quins players that made that break in the first few minutes. Ainscough reeled him in with ease and Goulding does not have the pace to do that. Try time with DG in the side for that one don't you agree?

I knew you would pick on that try and blame Ainscough but you are simply wrong. You are being disingenuous because he faced a two on one situation as I described and I seriously doubt if Goulding would have done any better. I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if you were actually pleased we conceded that try.

Goulding has also had the luxury of playing in virtually full strength sides whereas Ainscough's first game this season for Wigan is in a side ravaged by injury.

I doubt you would have anything to complain about if Gleeson had played tonight re Ainscough.

Dave

[old hooker]

Ainscough was at fault with the first try and lets face it defensively he is a liability.Bailey was poor and imo Fekka,Farrell and Lockers were our best players.The people on this site who continue to say we have the best squad in SL have been proved wrong.We have some very good players but some are average.We are sorely missing Tommy,Amos and Gleeson.It is all well and good saying we have youngsters with potential.Potential needs to be fulfilled.I some cases ie Mossop,Tompkins brothers it has done so.Others like Ainscough,Walker are not good enough and until others are put into the side we will not know if they will make the grade.So please dont tell me we have the best squad in SL as it is not true.

[BriH]

Listened to the game on the radio and both the commentators thought Farrell's try was OK and couldn't understand the push on Penny. They did think Wigan looked knackered.
My advice to Madge would be let the lads re-charge their batteries and of course, look at the selections. Too many players out of position for me.

[GeoffN]

Ainscough was at fault with the first try and lets face it defensively he is a liability.Bailey was poor and imo Fekka,Farrell and Lockers were our best players.The people on this site who continue to say we have the best squad in SL have been proved wrong.We have some very good players but some are average.We are sorely missing Tommy,Amos and Gleeson.It is all well and good saying we have youngsters with potential.Potential needs to be fulfilled.I some cases ie Mossop,Tompkins brothers it has done so.Others like Ainscough,Walker are not good enough and until others are put into the side we will not know if they will make the grade.So please dont tell me we have the best squad in SL as it is not true.

Nothing wrong with the squad in terms of talent, it's attitude that is the problem. In half a dozen games this season we've built a commanding lead and switched off. In all but two games, that didn't really matter, but it's something that needs to be sorted out.

Had they stayed focused, that side was good enough to win.

[Dobby]

Dave, the winger should catch a kick if it goes to his opposing winger otherwise he is at fault. Full Stop. You forgot to add we missed GOULDING.

Goulding would not have made a blind bit of difference tonight. What exactly would he have done? Just like Ainscough he would have been stuck out there on the right passing the time of day with himself for most of the match.

Now if you mean playing centre that's different. Bailey was so poor it was IMO a virtual career ending performance as a centre for him.

I will tell you one thing Goulding would not have done. Caught the Quins players that made that break in the first few minutes. Ainscough reeled him in with ease and Goulding does not have the pace to do that. Try time with DG in the side for that one don't you agree?

I knew you would pick on that try and blame Ainscough but you are simply wrong. You are being disingenuous because he faced a two on one situation as I described and I seriously doubt if Goulding would have done any better. I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if you were actually pleased we conceded that try.

Goulding has also had the luxury of playing in virtually full strength sides whereas Ainscough's first game this season for Wigan is in a side ravaged by injury.

I doubt you would have anything to complain about if Gleeson had played tonight re Ainscough.

Dave

That really is a pathetic and desperate post. All I have read on here on RLFans over the last couple of days is you defending Ainscough. This is one thing but you have largely done this by trying to criticise Goulding, who has done nothing wrong this season, in a misguided attempt to promote Ainscough. That is just wrong and out of order in my opinion.

[GeoffN]

That really is a pathetic and desperate post. All I have read on here on RLFans over the last couple of days is you defending Ainscough. This is one thing but you have largely done this by trying to criticise Goulding, who has done nothing wrong this season, in a misguided attempt to promote Ainscough. That is just wrong and out of order in my opinion.

While I agree with you about Goulding, I think Dave is right in that Ainscough comes in for a lot of unfair criticism. There were a lot of other players far worse defensively v Quins, yet they barely get a mention, whereas Ainscough's performance is gone through looking for the slightest fault.

Yes, I'd pick Goulding ahead of Ainscough, but he's far from being the defensive liability that a lot of people try to make out. He wasn't the main one at fault for any of the tries on Friday.

[cpwigan]

Dave, the winger should catch a kick if it goes to his opposing winger otherwise he is at fault. Full Stop. You forgot to add we missed GOULDING.

Goulding would not have made a blind bit of difference tonight. What exactly would he have done? Just like Ainscough he would have been stuck out there on the right passing the time of day with himself for most of the match.

Now if you mean playing centre that's different. Bailey was so poor it was IMO a virtual career ending performance as a centre for him.

I will tell you one thing Goulding would not have done. Caught the Quins players that made that break in the first few minutes. Ainscough reeled him in with ease and Goulding does not have the pace to do that. Try time with DG in the side for that one don't you agree?

I knew you would pick on that try and blame Ainscough but you are simply wrong. You are being disingenuous because he faced a two on one situation as I described and I seriously doubt if Goulding would have done any better. I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if you were actually pleased we conceded that try.

Goulding has also had the luxury of playing in virtually full strength sides whereas Ainscough's first game this season for Wigan is in a side ravaged by injury.

I doubt you would have anything to complain about if Gleeson had played tonight re Ainscough.

Dave

Possibly your worst ever post Dave. Fair enough you rate Ainscough but to denegrate Goulding whose efforts have been outstanding is way out of order. Anybody being objective recognises how well Goulding has played this season both on the wing and at centre. For you not to give him his props because you perceive it adversely affecting Ainscough is plain wrong. Morally it is out of order.

Look at Geoff's posts. I think Geoff rates Ainsy but he does not let that cloud his judgement of other players

[MrDave]

I think Wigan are going to hit a bit of a bad patch now and slip down the league. Wigan have played well this season but with every performance there have been signs that Wigan are not as good as they might appear.

Wigan's main problem is the inability to control games. When Leeds and Saints are playing well they control the game and very rarely concede as many points late on as Wigan do.

[Kittwazzer]

I think Wigan are going to hit a bit of a bad patch now and slip down the league. Wigan have played well this season but with every performance there have been signs that Wigan are not as good as they might appear.

Wigan's main problem is the inability to control games. When Leeds and Saints are playing well they control the game and very rarely concede as many points late on as Wigan do.

I've thought that since the struggle at Salford. Then to concede all those points to Sheffield. Steve Hampson remarked on it before Friday's game to the effect that Madge was not happy and all the players had been read the riot act. Obviously did not have the required effect.

Accepted we are faced with a lot of players out with injury, but the established players who aren't injured just don't seem to have the same spark with which they started the season!