Discipline and control

[MIKE14]

I'm sure Madge and Wane will have reminded him that he could potentially play for England in the 4 Nations, but not with his current temperament. I think the coach should put his faith in him that he's capable of cleaning up his act and proving some people wrong.[/quote]

I agree with pretty much all your saying but no doubt they have told him before this season (he is a high penalty conceder) perhaps he should listen and learn.
We can beat KR without Joel, and I think it will do him good if he was dropped, it might open his ears at least...
I expect he will play on Friday.

[butt monkey]

Discipline is very important at this stage of the season.

However, the fact remains that Wigan in all games have now lost 5 matches at the DW this season, to just the two away. This concerns me as it is obvious that Madge's tactics must vary some way away from home. Either that or the players are more comfortable playing away from home for some reason.

Whatever the reason, the team needs to play with more control and patience over the full 80 minutes - not try to obliterate the opposition in the first 20 minutes, usually with not enough points scored for their trouble

[Kiwiseddon]

I'm quite shocked that people would even consider dropping Joel for KR. He's an outstanding player and capable of winning matches on his own. I will concede that in his current mindset, he's also capable of losing them.

So.... Let us not forget that he is a professional and a highly capable player. He needs a bollocking. A proper bollocking. And I think Shaun Wane should be the one administering it. If he is half the person I think he is, he'll take it on the chin and move on. He must understand that if he can't control his brain explosions, there's no place for him on the team.
He is currently a great player and a liability. He doesn't have to be both. It's down to the coaches ultimately who have to recognise all of the above and the fact that Joel is still a kid.

[josie andrews]

I'm quite shocked that people would even consider dropping Joel for KR. He's an outstanding player and capable of winning matches on his own. I will concede that in his current mindset, he's also capable of losing them.

So.... Let us not forget that he is a professional and a highly capable player. He needs a bollocking. A proper bollocking. And I think Shaun Wane should be the one administering it. If he is half the person I think he is, he'll take it on the chin and move on. He must understand that if he can't control his brain explosions, there's no place for him on the team.
He is currently a great player and a liability. He doesn't have to be both. It's down to the coaches ultimately who have to recognise all of the above and the fact that Joel is still a kid.

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[DaveO]

I'm quite shocked that people would even consider dropping Joel for KR. He's an outstanding player and capable of winning matches on his own. I will concede that in his current mindset, he's also capable of losing them.

So.... Let us not forget that he is a professional and a highly capable player. He needs a bollocking. A proper bollocking. And I think Shaun Wane should be the one administering it. If he is half the person I think he is, he'll take it on the chin and move on. He must understand that if he can't control his brain explosions, there's no place for him on the team.
He is currently a great player and a liability. He doesn't have to be both. It's down to the coaches ultimately who have to recognise all of the above and the fact that Joel is still a kid.

Completely agree. I'd also add that while he has a very high penalty count in the statistics he is one of the main men in terms to the defensive technique the club has used this season. As this started to get penalised more as the season wore on I would suggest quite a few of the penalties he has conceded came from penalties associated with that rather than petulance as seen on Sunday.

I think there is a danger of looking at the stats and getting the impression he is a head case when he isn't and he has for me been our outstanding back row forward this season.

Dave

[cpwigan]

I am not an advocate of dropping Joel. I think he has been excellent this season but like every player he can learn. I do wonder if becoming part of the leadership group has made him more reactive and that he is trying to lead in the way many fans call good leadership - vocal and demonstrative.

The petulance though needs to stop because I think he will be sent off the next time.

[Kiwiseddon]

Just another observation.
Several weeks back, Ganson was reffing a Wigan match (can't remember which one) and with only a few minutes to go, the game was won and Sam T conceded a penalty. It ended up with him remonstrating with Ganson at which point he was sin-binned.
I remember thinking that the isolated incident did not deserve a sin-binning but said out loud that it would do Sam 'no harm at all'.
My point being that he was just starting to get a little petulant and I had no problem with Ganson knocking him down a peg or too.
As I've said before, both brothers are still very young and relatively inexperienced. The coaches are, I'm sure all too aware of this and will deal with them accordingly. I think it's a fine balancing act between getting every last ounce of passion out of them without it spilling over into petulance.
I would be surprised if we didn't see a more measured Joel tonight. I'm sure that words have been had.....probably four letter ones!

[Matthew]

We need the leadership team to treat Joel like Shaun Edwards would have. Namely support him; but not to take any crap from him and to let him know exactly what they and the rest of the team think when he has a brain explosion!

[Sutty]

I am not an advocate of dropping Joel. I think he has been excellent this season but like every player he can learn. I do wonder if becoming part of the leadership group has made him more reactive and that he is trying to lead in the way many fans call good leadership - vocal and demonstrative.

The petulance though needs to stop because I think he will be sent off the next time.

So do I, and with only knock out rugby left to play this season, it would be then end of his campaign. I daresay that Madge and Waney have had a quiet word with him this week though.
Maybe Joel feels as though he cost us the win, agains Leeds, in some way. We only lost by 1pt but had he not given that penalty away, we would have won by 1pt. That's not how I'm looking at it though. We win as a team and we lose as a team.

[josie andrews]

Just another observation.
Several weeks back, Ganson was reffing a Wigan match (can't remember which one) and with only a few minutes to go, the game was won and Sam T conceded a penalty. It ended up with him remonstrating with Ganson at which point he was sin-binned.
I remember thinking that the isolated incident did not deserve a sin-binning but said out loud that it would do Sam 'no harm at all'.
My point being that he was just starting to get a little petulant and I had no problem with Ganson knocking him down a peg or too.
As I've said before, both brothers are still very young and relatively inexperienced. The coaches are, I'm sure all too aware of this and will deal with them accordingly. I think it's a fine balancing act between getting every last ounce of passion out of them without it spilling over into petulance.
I would be surprised if we didn't see a more measured Joel tonight. I'm sure that words have been had.....probably four letter ones!

Several weeks ago??? That was last season