Re: goulding gone

[markill]

I hope Gildart is not rushed. He is a fantastic prospect but he needs looking after and allowing to develop.

Do you think part of that development could be a game at London this week though. Would have thought he is one of the next to get a first team opportunity this season.

[Owd Codger]

I thought players at 26 were approaching their peak :conf: It is quite a sad departure IMO. I await the signing of Mick Nanyn or somebody from one of the lowest clubs in SL.

Rads is a yes man / a lacky. Plenty to say before being given a job, NOW nothing of merit.

How can you say that when you have no knowledge of what he does at the club?

[Owd Codger]

Some very baffling vibes from Wigan RL.

Daz going

all the hype about our junior set up,yet not prepared to offer the going rate for players.

After the WCC, claims "we need to go big", if rumours are true Moi Moi is big but over the hill.

senior staff leaving.

where is this club going / heading ?

Players and fans wont put up with this penny pinching crap

If you and a certain one or two others are so unhappy with things, may I suggest you enrol as a candidate for the proposed fans panel and air your negativity there.

Makes me wonder sometimes if some of you would like to go back to the dark days of the real tight fisted owner and the time when we did have mediocre players, won nothing and all the money from our club was going towards his precious football team to buy better players there.

[DaveO]

Some very baffling vibes from Wigan RL.

Daz going

all the hype about our junior set up,yet not prepared to offer the going rate for players.

After the WCC, claims "we need to go big", if rumours are true Moi Moi is big but over the hill.

senior staff leaving.

where is this club going / heading ?

Players and fans wont put up with this penny pinching crap

If you and a certain one or two others are so unhappy with things, may I suggest you enrol as a candidate for the proposed fans panel and air your negativity there.

Makes me wonder sometimes if some of you would like to go back to the dark days of the real tight fisted owner and the time when we did have mediocre players, won nothing and all the money from our club was going towards his precious football team to buy better players there.

I think you will find we spent more on players and players wages under Mo and DW than we do now. DW also gave the club the Orrell training ground once Orrell RU went bust.

We lacked success then but it wasn't because of a lack of cash.

At the moment I find it puzzling that a club that prides itself on its home grown talent seems to sell it or let it go quite readily and replace it with mostly recruits from outside the club of a lower standard.

Signing a player like Bateman or Taylor is fine but there have also been numerous flops since IL took over, starting with the likes of Mathers and Pryce and along through the likes of Lauaki and Powell and now the club seems to think Sarge is a better centre than Goulding which he isn't. And neither is Gelling.

If we are talking cheapskate it's signings like those I mention above that qualify for that tag and it's no coincidence IMO most of the cheapskate signings made under IL have been flops or proved average at best.

[Exiled Wiganer]

The last time I looked at the accounts we were spending well over 2.5m on wages, which iirc is more than we did under the old regime. Let me check, but have you actually checked that "fact"?

Given how low down the pecking order Goulding is in the scheme - not one of the 9 England players and not a single dissenting voice when that squad was announced from his huge fans on this thread - is there anyone that could leave the club without it showing:
- penny pinching;
- lack of ambition;
- imminent doom?
And yet we are enjoying the most successful era in the modern age.

[DaveO]

The last time I looked at the accounts we were spending well over 2.5m on wages, which iirc is more than we did under the old regime. Let me check, but have you actually checked that "fact"?

We can't be spending that much on players wages as the salary cap has been £1.65m for several years now.

I thought that was a fact everyone knew. If we have wage bill of £2.5m Rads and co are sharing £850K a year.

When Mo and DW were in charge we had a special dispensation when the flat rate came in (originally at £1.8m) as our wage bill on players alone was £2.3m and that is back then so adjusted for inflation it was huge compared to now.

Prior to that the cap was 50% of turnover so sorry to disappoint but the fact of the matter is we did spend more on players wages under Mo and DW than we do now. It didn't translate into success but until we sacked Noble we weren't getting any under IL either.

Given how low down the pecking order Goulding is in the scheme - not one of the 9 England players and not a single dissenting voice when that squad was announced from his huge fans on this thread - is there anyone that could leave the club without it showing:
- penny pinching;
- lack of ambition;
- imminent doom?

What on earth does "Given how low down the pecking order Goulding" mean? It wouldn't be something you just made up would it to justify letting him go?

You know the usual thing that happens when a player leaves that they suddenly become crap to justify the clubs actions?

And yet we are enjoying the most successful era in the modern age.

Not for much longer if we carry on like this. In case you missed it Cas knocked us out of the cup and given the changes to the squad no one should be surprised.

[Exiled Wiganer]

I am confused - I can quickly check this when I get home, but have you been through the figures and checked the point you made, or are you supposing this from your understanding of how the cap works and has worked? If you have not checked, I am happy to do so.
As a shareholder they send me the accounts every year, and I do not recall the salaries dropping as you assert. I don't want you to think I would be "disappointed" either way. The figures are simply the figures.
I perhaps could have been clearer, though I thought I had made the point about "pecking order" pretty plainly. He was not one of the 9 Wigan players selected for England - an objective guide I would argue to the relative "pecking order" of players. Did you or anyone at any point argue that he should have been? Further, when he was dropped earlier this year, did you or indeed anyone object forcibly? If you can find a thread that would be illuminating.
We may be less usccessful going forward, and if you predict failure long and hard enough you will be right some day, but it is a fact that we are currently enjoying a very successful era. And that suggests to me that all is not amiss at the club.
Finally, we are all fans of the club and I respect your views and value your eloquence. I am merely seeking to put forward and argue a counter case. I suspect the truth is somewhere between our positions.

[Spion Kop]

We were spending way more on player wages pre-salary cap in the days of Lindsay and Whelan, £3.2 million according to this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/articl ... pping.html

[Exiled Wiganer]

Well, that's told me. My recollection was that the figures in the accounts hadn't moved that much but that blows me out of the water. You've saved me a few minutes digging this evening though.

[Spion Kop]

Well, that's told me. My recollection was that the figures in the accounts hadn't moved that much but that blows me out of the water. You've saved me a few minutes digging this evening though.

Just shows how much the game has gone backwards. TV money has gone up dramatically since then and goes up again in the next TV deal. Ticket prices and everything else has gone up too and yet the salary cap has fallen year on year in real terms and we are told there is no money in the game. Wigan are spending far less than half in real terms on player wages than they was 13 or so years ago.