How many more times is he going to 'bump' into the Referee by accident?
The way things are going on, the Referee's are going to have to have 'anti repellent' sprayed on them, whenever Hock is playing.
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Hock in Trouble Again
Re: Hock in Trouble Again
If this had been a player who had not previously been an ex Wigan player and a favourite player for many would we be asking the question. I very much doubt that this would be the case infact most of us would be screaming ban him.But because of his association with us we try to give him the benefit of the doubt. Are we going to wait for the next incident before we finally agree the man though being a good player is an idiot and needs banning.Never thought I would find myself uttering these words but I've taken the blinkers off.
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Wigan_forever1985
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there is no defending him anymore
its like suarez, if you do something like that once its "well that was uncalled for but everyone makes mistakes"
twice "really should have learnt needs to turn it around"
and the third time you just concede the guy is a pillock and wont learn. I used to support hock but even if he was still in a wigan shirt i would be saying the same the guy is a waste of oxygen he clearly wont learn how to behave himself which is not a hard thing to do
and this about it being an accident im sorry but just no, it isnt, your not telling me he can side step a prop at full tilt but cant make his way around a 8 stone official at half speed.
Even if you say ok maybe the collision was an accident think of everytime you have done this you instinctively grab the person you run into to hold them up you dont fling them 10 yards across the floor
2nd factor you actually see him drop his shoulder before impact its a full on shoulder charge, he doesnt seem to be trying to catch or apologising as the guy flys through the air either
its like suarez, if you do something like that once its "well that was uncalled for but everyone makes mistakes"
twice "really should have learnt needs to turn it around"
and the third time you just concede the guy is a pillock and wont learn. I used to support hock but even if he was still in a wigan shirt i would be saying the same the guy is a waste of oxygen he clearly wont learn how to behave himself which is not a hard thing to do
and this about it being an accident im sorry but just no, it isnt, your not telling me he can side step a prop at full tilt but cant make his way around a 8 stone official at half speed.
Even if you say ok maybe the collision was an accident think of everytime you have done this you instinctively grab the person you run into to hold them up you dont fling them 10 yards across the floor
2nd factor you actually see him drop his shoulder before impact its a full on shoulder charge, he doesnt seem to be trying to catch or apologising as the guy flys through the air either
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It was stupid and lacked any though which one could say is Gaz Hock. The referee was not hurt and yes these things do happen albeit this one was the stupidestly/silliet by Gaz Hock. Anybody remember Gene Miles taking out Robin Whitfield when we destroyed Bradford in the semi. Not a word was said, the crowd cheered. Miles and Whitfield laughed and joked.
Sadly, this is Gaz Hock acting like a teenager or teammates v each other in a training session. Gaz Hock with previous (albeit one previous charge was ludicrous) and the owner of Salford being very vocal.
Sadly, this is Gaz Hock acting like a teenager or teammates v each other in a training session. Gaz Hock with previous (albeit one previous charge was ludicrous) and the owner of Salford being very vocal.
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I don't think Gene Miles looked up and side stepped directly into Whitfield, which is what Gaz appears to do. They collided with Whitfield trying to get out of the way as I recall.cpwigan wrote:It was stupid and lacked any though which one could say is Gaz Hock. The referee was not hurt and yes these things do happen albeit this one was the stupidestly/silliet by Gaz Hock. Anybody remember Gene Miles taking out Robin Whitfield when we destroyed Bradford in the semi. Not a word was said, the crowd cheered. Miles and Whitfield laughed and joked.
Sadly, this is Gaz Hock acting like a teenager or teammates v each other in a training session. Gaz Hock with previous (albeit one previous charge was ludicrous) and the owner of Salford being very vocal.
Thing in Hockys defence is that if he was deliberately going for the official, he would have knocked him over the stands, rather than just brush into him.
If it was down to me, he'd just get a warning to be more careful in future.
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It was Jobo and I agree with your opinion re punishment. The craziest one was at Wigan when he merely put his hand on the hip of an official which makes me think they will screw him for this, particularly as he plays for the Dr owned Salford.
Childish, silly, harmless sorts of like Gaz Hock
Childish, silly, harmless sorts of like Gaz Hock
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I'm not sure what video you lot are watching but the one I am it is clearly not accidental.
Firstly the direction and speed of the full back and ref are exactly the same gaz hock side steps right around the full back yet for some reason doesn't Try this again to get round the ref
Secondly he clearly dips his shoulder into the ref before impact he shows no signs of trying to pull out and isn't losing his balance as he is steady on his feet before and after
Thirdly I have to laugh at the "brush" comment the guy is lifted off his feet and sent 5 yards along the floor hardly a brush!
People feel the need to defend hock but he isn't worthy of it, it's like the ones who we're jumping to his defence when he was kicked out the England team rather than simply facing the fact that had he not broke the rules he would of stayed in.
He is a very stupid human being an clearly incapable of staying out of trouble
Firstly the direction and speed of the full back and ref are exactly the same gaz hock side steps right around the full back yet for some reason doesn't Try this again to get round the ref
Secondly he clearly dips his shoulder into the ref before impact he shows no signs of trying to pull out and isn't losing his balance as he is steady on his feet before and after
Thirdly I have to laugh at the "brush" comment the guy is lifted off his feet and sent 5 yards along the floor hardly a brush!
People feel the need to defend hock but he isn't worthy of it, it's like the ones who we're jumping to his defence when he was kicked out the England team rather than simply facing the fact that had he not broke the rules he would of stayed in.
He is a very stupid human being an clearly incapable of staying out of trouble
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WF I agree with the first part of your post but the last part is wrong IMO. If any player wanted to hurt an official they could do easily but Hock is not tackling/shoulder charging the official. He is acting like a big stupid kid with no harm done.
IIRC, it is usually when the referee gets trapped by a genuine tackle between players where real damage is done. On such occasions it is totally accidental.
No harm done, stupid child like prank, wrap his nuckles, move on.
IIRC, it is usually when the referee gets trapped by a genuine tackle between players where real damage is done. On such occasions it is totally accidental.
No harm done, stupid child like prank, wrap his nuckles, move on.
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Even if that's true cp and we say gaz was "joking around" he is a very large and powerful man and could have caused serious damage, the strength and size difference is akin to myself running into a 10 year old and flinging him to the ground
It may not be the worst but I don't agree with the wrap on the knuckles part at all, he has had enough wraps on his knuckles it clearly has no effect on him.
It may not be the worst but I don't agree with the wrap on the knuckles part at all, he has had enough wraps on his knuckles it clearly has no effect on him.
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I think when he ducked etc etc he did so because it would not hurt on contacts. Lets be honest if ANY RL player wanted to 'smash' an official the official woud need a stretcher.
I worry because I remember the Ian Smith (I think it was Smith) that truly was a none event and he got hammered for that. This was IMO more stupid and prankish with no malice but he could get hammered for it. The problem is where do you stop?
I have seen players put their hands on referees this season. Again no malice but by the letter of the law wrong. You end up with a scenario where there is no relationship between players and officials. My father was infamous for his on field antics with players / officials but he talked and joked with every official afterward / post playing. In my career, officials became so distant / wary that when you approached them to talk / joke they would not tolerate it and no 'relationship' now exists between players and officials.
I worry because I remember the Ian Smith (I think it was Smith) that truly was a none event and he got hammered for that. This was IMO more stupid and prankish with no malice but he could get hammered for it. The problem is where do you stop?
I have seen players put their hands on referees this season. Again no malice but by the letter of the law wrong. You end up with a scenario where there is no relationship between players and officials. My father was infamous for his on field antics with players / officials but he talked and joked with every official afterward / post playing. In my career, officials became so distant / wary that when you approached them to talk / joke they would not tolerate it and no 'relationship' now exists between players and officials.