Hock in Trouble Again

[Eon0890]

A prank is pelting a mate with eggs and flour not shoulder charging a referee into row z!

It's the third time he's done it, he's an idiot pure and simple.

[cpwigan]

Has anybody ever said Gaz Hock was intelligent

However, he did not shoulder charge a referee into row Z

The previous offences was harmless

[Owd Codger]

So what are you advocating CP? it is ok to put your hands on an official.

I am saying that the penalty is disproportionate to the act given how lenient potential career ending fouls are so leniently treated in comparison.

I verbally abused many a match official when playing but I never once considered putting a hand on one. However, far too often it has become the norm in SL.

Gaz Hock was obviously totally different. Did he want to hurt the official NO was it incredibly stupid almost a prank YES

cpwigan, We do not want our game going the same way as football with players showing no respect for the referee.


Was Gaz Hocks actions worse than those of several Catalan players at the weekend? NO IMO.

cpwigan, We do not want players in our game treating a Referee or indeed any match official like they do in football. Unfortunately, it is creeping in, like we saw in the Saints game with the verbals at Bentham by Wellans and Wilkin and which to their shame, the RFL did nothing about in regard to punishment.

As for Hock, he needs to take some anger management lessons as he is a great player ruined by a attitude problem.

[Wigan_forever1985]

There are some people who feel the need to defend a player like hock despite the fact he does nothing to earn this its not poor badly done to hock, he is the one who keeps making these choices.

No one forced him to put hands on a referee the first time
no one forced him to take cocaine
no one forced him to put hands on a referee again
no one forced him to break the rules in the england camp
no one forced him to send the ref flying in this game

these are his choices, and he clearly is going to continue making them incorrectly.

As for the punishment not fitting the crime - irrelavent IMO - in fact if anything it just makes his actions harder to defend, how easy is this DONT TOUCH THE REF, regardless of what others are doing you dont do it!.

People zone in on poor mr hock and the world out to get him, well, the way others are punished for the same actions again IMO is irrelavent the FACT is that if he played by the rules he wouldnt get a single ban so they are all 100% HIS FAULT.

[AlanF]

There are some people who feel the need to defend a player like hock despite the fact he does nothing to earn this its not poor badly done to hock, he is the one who keeps making these choices.

No one forced him to put hands on a referee the first time
no one forced him to take cocaine
no one forced him to put hands on a referee again
no one forced him to break the rules in the england camp
no one forced him to send the ref flying in this game

these are his choices, and he clearly is going to continue making them incorrectly.


As for the punishment not fitting the crime - irrelavent IMO - in fact if anything it just makes his actions harder to defend, how easy is this DONT TOUCH THE REF, regardless of what others are doing you dont do it!.

People zone in on poor mr hock and the world out to get him, well, the way others are punished for the same actions again IMO is irrelavent the FACT is that if he played by the rules he wouldnt get a single ban so they are all 100% HIS FAULT.

At last some sense about Hock :eusa2:

[southernpie]

I verbally abused many a match official when playing but I never once considered putting a hand on one. However, far too often it has become the norm in SL.

Gaz Hock was obviously totally different. Did he want to hurt the official NO was it incredibly stupid almost a prank YES.

Was Gaz Hocks actions worse than those of several Catalan players at the weekend? NO IMO.

Slightly digressing but how good was it to see Childs march Les Thugs back 10 on Saturday for dissent.If we get this more often perhaps we would see less of the Wilkins Wellens debacle and the stronger the refs are with this we probably wouldn't get the Hock scenario.

CP what was the last time you queried whether the offence was worse than a illegal damaging tackle? Was it not Hardaker's abuse of the ref? I'm wondering if the punishment scale is still in the days of when Refs were treated as god and "thuggery" was the norm on the pitch.

[medlocke]

So what are you advocating CP? it is ok to put your hands on an official.

I am saying that the penalty is disproportionate to the act given how lenient potential career ending fouls are so leniently treated in comparison.

I verbally abused many a match official when playing but I never once considered putting a hand on one. However, far too often it has become the norm in SL.

Gaz Hock was obviously totally different. Did he want to hurt the official NO was it incredibly stupid almost a prank YES.

Was Gaz Hocks actions worse than those of several Catalan players at the weekend? NO IMO.

Please ignore cpwigan, he is trolling again, thank you

[old hooker]

I cant understand why anyone can defend Hock or even offer mitigating circumstances for his actions, the man is a moron , end of story.

[cpwigan]

Keep taking the tablets Meds

Anybody can say he should not have done X, Y and Z. Nobody has ever claimed Hock is the sharpest tool in the box BUT right or wrong he gets treated harshly because he isn't and who he is BUT far worse AND much more important; The RFL is totally inconsistent in disciplinary matters and even worse places a match official being pushed over far worse than players being subjected to potentially career ending fouls.

Alan F and others never made a mistake in their lives; I daresay hypocritically he thought Ellery despite his off field history was a God BUT worse they miss the point; players careers / health were put at risk by Catalans and yet a referee getting pushed over in the very same weekend was a heinous crime. When a player ends up in a wheelchair what are people going to say then?

[AlanF]

Keep taking the tablets Meds

Anybody can say he should not have done X, Y and Z. Nobody has ever claimed Hock is the sharpest tool in the box BUT right or wrong he gets treated harshly because he isn't and who he is BUT far worse AND much more important; The RFL is totally inconsistent in disciplinary matters and even worse places a match official being pushed over far worse than players being subjected to potentially career ending fouls.

Alan F and others never made a mistake in their lives; I daresay hypocritically he thought Ellery despite his off field history was a God BUT worse they miss the point; players careers / health were put at risk by Catalans and yet a referee getting pushed over in the very same weekend was a heinous crime. When a player ends up in a wheelchair what are people going to say then?

Of course I have made mistakes, but I have learned from them and I don't make the same stupid mistakes constantly. Where does Ellery come into this, I've never mentioned him, for your information I thought Ellery was an excellent rugby league player, but I never considered him a God, in fact I don't consider anyone godlike.

As for Hock it seems to me that if he shot someone, some posters would blame the other guy for jumping in front of the bullet. No matter how you wrap it up or try to deflect the issue, he did wrong end of story.