Wane to go

[mjdodge13]

I don't contribute very often to this forum discussion but, like many enjoy reading how other fans perceive our club. I find it very difficult to understand how some think SW is doing a bad job, even to the extent of calling the type of game we play "wane ball". What does that even mean? SW took charge of Wigan after a 2 year spell (Madge) where we regained our success after years of nothing. What if wane had taken over instead of Madge? Would we be complaining of only winning 1 challenge cup and competing in 2 grand finals? (I highly doubt it) I agree with a lot of doubters, we could be better. The biggest difference between Madge and SW is very simply the team. Madge had very good X factor players (Richards, Carmont, Tomkins, in form charnley, fit oloughlin, gleeson, leulai, deacon, finch, hoffman, Lima) seriously have a look......the list goes on) Wane has invested his faith in the development of players (mainly youth/London players, which he had done very well) it's very similar to the Arsenal situation (Wenger) and their stubbornness to purchase established players. If Wane/Lenegan "went for it" and got top talent, strike players, experienced players who could help develop younger players to a top level we could be unstoppable. Imagine putting Williams in to Madge's team, Williams with Lima, j. Tomkins, S. Tomkins, carmont, Richards around/outside him!!
To some it up, we are not far away being THE team in super league. I personally think we are over achieving with the squad we have. How many of our players would NRL and Super league teams scramble over to sign? (I love Wigan players as much as you, but how many fans of other clubs would be saying we must sign player x?) We just need they balance of youth/locally developed players and top draw players instead of mediocre players from other SL CLUBS) If that happened SW would probs be an all time great and one of the most successful coaches in wigans history. (But is he set in his ways?)
Ps those who have suggested Powell as a future Wigan coach.............if you have a little look at how they play, he has done what Salford have attempted and copied Wigan's (Madge/Wane) patterns of play. Throw in Shenton, Carney, Gail etc (strike players) and hey presto you look like s good coach

[cpwigan]

Perhaps with IL extremely unlikely to make any coaching changes, we should be looking for an assistant coach to help Wane, maybe from Australia?

One whose ideas and input can help change some of the plays we adopt and possibly help "see through" the automatic selections certain players gained this season when clearly out of form with far better players either benched or worse, dropped totally

Seems to have worked reasonably well at Salford

Just an idea if Wane is to continue as first team coach. If things do start to go wrong then we would have a replacement all ready to step in should the need require

Wane will never change. You can sit Wayne Bennett down in front of him and he will listen, be polite and then walk away and do exactly what he was doing before the conversation because it is the Wane way and he knows better than anybody. Look at him as a player. Successful coach told him he needed to train harder / better and he had 2 international props showing him what he needed to do and yet he never did and simply cursed bad luck when his body kept letting him down. You can take a horse to water but ......

[cpwigan]

I don't contribute very often to this forum discussion but, like many enjoy reading how other fans perceive our club. I find it very difficult to understand how some think SW is doing a bad job, even to the extent of calling the type of game we play "wane ball". What does that even mean? SW took charge of Wigan after a 2 year spell (Madge) where we regained our success after years of nothing. What if wane had taken over instead of Madge? Would we be complaining of only winning 1 challenge cup and competing in 2 grand finals? (I highly doubt it) I agree with a lot of doubters, we could be better. The biggest difference between Madge and SW is very simply the team. Madge had very good X factor players (Richards, Carmont, Tomkins, in form charnley, fit oloughlin, gleeson, leulai, deacon, finch, hoffman, Lima) seriously have a look......the list goes on) Wane has invested his faith in the development of players (mainly youth/London players, which he had done very well) it's very similar to the Arsenal situation (Wenger) and their stubbornness to purchase established players. If Wane/Lenegan "went for it" and got top talent, strike players, experienced players who could help develop younger players to a top level we could be unstoppable. Imagine putting Williams in to Madge's team, Williams with Lima, j. Tomkins, S. Tomkins, carmont, Richards around/outside him!!
To some it up, we are not far away being THE team in super league. I personally think we are over achieving with the squad we have. How many of our players would NRL and Super league teams scramble over to sign? (I love Wigan players as much as you, but how many fans of other clubs would be saying we must sign player x?) We just need they balance of youth/locally developed players and top draw players instead of mediocre players from other SL CLUBS) If that happened SW would probs be an all time great and one of the most successful coaches in wigans history. (But is he set in his ways?)
Ps those who have suggested Powell as a future Wigan coach.............if you have a little look at how they play, he has done what Salford have attempted and copied Wigan's (Madge/Wane) patterns of play. Throw in Shenton, Carney, Gail etc (strike players) and hey presto you look like s good coach

Great theory but Madge took what he inherited and transformed it. Even the hugely successful Brian Noble failed to transform Wigan yet you believe Wane could have taken over from Noble and improved on past failures?

Wane coached Sam T how many seasons and never thought play him at full back. Madge came; one season and straight to full back. Yet you think a coach who never thought in X seasons play Sam at fullback could do what Madge did.

Piggy. Poor unfit; Madge transformed him. Mac going backwards under Wane (his mate), lost his international spot, rarely able to play 80 minutes for whatever reason.

Anybody this the likes of Hoffman would have signed for Wigan coached by Wane? What pull does Wane have to NRL players?

[cpwigan]

Just remember ; be happy and celebrate two barren seasons ; enjoy those away game, trips to Catalan when we lose, enjoy early exits from the CC and losses whenever it matters. IL told you to rejoice in being second best so hop to it!

[josie andrews]

Wane will never change.You can sit Wayne Bennett down in front of him and he will listen, be polite and then walk away and do exactly what he was doing before the conversation because it is the Wane way and he knows better than anybody. Look at him as a player. Successful coach told him he needed to train harder / better and he had 2 international props showing him what he needed to do and yet he never did and simply cursed bad luck when his body kept letting him down. You can take a horse to water but ......

The same can be said about several posters on here!

The way they continually denigrate Mr Lenegan as the owner, Shaun Wane as a player, a person, a coach, the players integrity & quality, even other posters if they dare to disagree, with opinions or support the club through good & bad times.

People do get upset if their team loses or plays bad, but they don't go into meltdown over the owner, coach, players etc calling for all & sundry to be sacked!

We are all 'armchair' experts on how to coach, how to play, tactics etc
If we were all so good, we would be in these positions of 'power' within Wigan Warriors not just commenting on web forums.

Emotional competency springs to mind!

[cpwigan]

Find me an example of when I criticised Madge Josie? You are right it annoys me when we under achieve. Frustration at our failure and I like many use forums to let off steam. If something / somebody is not good enough for the club I am passionate about I let off steam. Far better than the idiots who drink too much and brawl in a beer tent pre match.

Ultimately sport is about decision making. One thing is for sure having watched the Fergie documentary our decision making is at odds with his beliefs / actions. Wigan are under achieving and have been for 2 seasons so we should be critical. I does not make us any lesser a supporter.

[josie andrews]

Find me an example of when I criticised Madge Josie? You are right it annoys me when we under achieve. Frustration at our failure and I like many use forums to let off steam. If something / somebody is not good enough for the club I am passionate about I let off steam. Far better than the idiots who drink too much and brawl in a beer tent pre match.

Ultimately sport is about decision making. One thing is for sure having watched the Fergie documentary our decision making is at odds with his beliefs / actions. Wigan are under achieving and have been for 2 seasons so we should be critical. I does not make us any lesser a supporter.

Why quote Fergie when he obviously doesn't meet with your criteria re 3 years!

I understand what you are saying & how you feel re the club not winning, I feel the same. But you are like a terrier with a rat, you just shake, shake & continue to shake it to pieces to the point it's tedious!

You do not need to insult the present personnel, as I said it doesn't become you. You are above all that but tend to sink below everyone's expectations of you as a clever, articulate poster.

[Mike]

Why quote Fergie when he obviously doesn't meet with your criteria re 3 years!

Oh don't bring that up again - cp will never change. You can sit cp down in front of example after example of where that theory doesn't fit and he'll just be rude and carry on believing exactly what he believed before the conversation because it is the Gibson way and he knows better than anybody. Look at cp as a poster, people tell him his constant criticism looks like he's victimising Wane and has something against IL and he needs to make his arguments in a more reasonable way, and he never does, he simply makes outrageous leaps of logic about the views of people who disagree of certain things and occasionally blows his top. You can take a horse to water...

(Sorry - couldn't resist, although the original cp post did put in in mind of someone, and it wasn't SW )

[eccywarrior]

Wane will never change.You can sit Wayne Bennett down in front of him and he will listen, be polite and then walk away and do exactly what he was doing before the conversation because it is the Wane way and he knows better than anybody. Look at him as a player. Successful coach told him he needed to train harder / better and he had 2 international props showing him what he needed to do and yet he never did and simply cursed bad luck when his body kept letting him down. You can take a horse to water but ......

The same can be said about several posters on here!

The way they continually denigrate Mr Lenegan as the owner, Shaun Wane as a player, a person, a coach, the players integrity & quality, even other posters if they dare to disagree, with opinions or support the club through good & bad times.

People do get upset if their team loses or plays bad, but they don't go into meltdown over the owner, coach, players etc calling for all & sundry to be sacked!

We are all 'armchair' experts on how to coach, how to play, tactics etc
If we were all so good, we would be in these positions of 'power' within Wigan Warriors not just commenting on web forums.

Emotional competency springs to mind!

Dont worry about it josie. Let cp have his fun and let some posters believe him and he keeps the forum active even if 90% of it is forever criticising the owner or coach. As long me, you and id say 70% of fans back the club is all that matters.

[josie andrews]

Why quote Fergie when he obviously doesn't meet with your criteria re 3 years!

Oh don't bring that up again - cp will never change. You can sit cp down in front of example after example of where that theory doesn't fit and he'll just be rude and carry on believing exactly what he believed before the conversation because it is the Gibson way and he knows better than anybody. Look at cp as a poster, people tell him his constant criticism looks like he's victimising Wane and has something against IL and he needs to make his arguments in a more reasonable way, and he never does, he simply makes outrageous leaps of logic about the views of people who disagree of certain things and occasionally blows his top. You can take a horse to water...

(Sorry - couldn't resist, although the original cp post did put in in mind of someone, and it wasn't SW )

Who is that then? I've already forgotten what the original post was about & can't be bothered traipsing through eleven plus pages ????????