DaveO wrote:You can develop as many players as you want but if you don't retain them and have a settled side you will finish second best to a side that does.
This is a big reason why we are currently second best to Leeds.
It's no use saying IF Leads lost Hardaker etc they would struggle because the fact is they HAVE NOT lost key players.
What is worse is with us when players leave we always seem to promote from within or get someone on the cheap which is why when our last experienced centre left we ended up with two inexperienced players in Gelling and Sargeson.
How did we get from Carmont and Goulding to Sargeson and Gelling?
Because we chose to. The players that left were not poached by the NRL which was the excuse used in the past.
And although he has done well promoting Williams has not been without issue, he hasn't been brilliant for every game as you would expect.
Add in players like Powell who has been poor more often than good but regularly makes the 17, the problems we have are of our own making. We have too many inexperienced players in the side at once and we end up in that position because we struggle to retain players.
Steadily losing players is not an excuse for this but the cause and is a problem in itself. It's made worse by the reluctance to sign experienced players.
Leeds aren't stupid enough to do things this way. Now Peacock has gone they went right out and signed an experienced prop.
Regarding the centres - Absolutely unforgiveable. I wouldn't have swapped either of those two for anyone but for some reason Wane didn't see it in Goulding. His tries, assists and defence were England standard.
Leeds signing Cuthbertson and Garbutt was such a statement. Saints getting Kyle Amor the other year as well was another one that slipped through us.
There comes a point when you do need to buy established and proven players.
cpwigan wrote:Ah so shall we ignore 2015 and pretend nothing happened. More importantly not bother to learn from it. If you stand still .........
...and yet after 3 years you are still spouting the exact same things to a fans forum, surely by now somebody of some importance is listening to your vast knowledge and finally going to make WWRLFC the force it should be....oh sorry is nobody still listening? Why is that?
'If you start listening to the fans it won't be long before you're sitting with them.' - Wayne Bennett
DaveO wrote:You can develop as many players as you want but if you don't retain them and have a settled side you will finish second best to a side that does.
This is a big reason why we are currently second best to Leeds.
It's no use saying IF Leads lost Hardaker etc they would struggle because the fact is they HAVE NOT lost key players.
What is worse is with us when players leave we always seem to promote from within or get someone on the cheap which is why when our last experienced centre left we ended up with two inexperienced players in Gelling and Sargeson.
How did we get from Carmont and Goulding to Sargeson and Gelling?
Because we chose to. The players that left were not poached by the NRL which was the excuse used in the past.
And although he has done well promoting Williams has not been without issue, he hasn't been brilliant for every game as you would expect.
Add in players like Powell who has been poor more often than good but regularly makes the 17, the problems we have are of our own making. We have too many inexperienced players in the side at once and we end up in that position because we struggle to retain players.
Steadily losing players is not an excuse for this but the cause and is a problem in itself. It's made worse by the reluctance to sign experienced players.
Leeds aren't stupid enough to do things this way. Now Peacock has gone they went right out and signed an experienced prop.
Regarding the centres - Absolutely unforgiveable. I wouldn't have swapped either of those two for anyone but for some reason Wane didn't see it in Goulding. His tries, assists and defence were England standard.
Leeds signing Cuthbertson and Garbutt was such a statement. Saints getting Kyle Amor the other year as well was another one that slipped through us.
There comes a point when you do need to buy established and proven players.
Garbutt and Amor are not as good as what we have got, Cuthbertson is different but he would never fit into our playing style.
Winning is down to 99% perspiration and 1% inspiration - Shaun Edwards
dontshootthemessenger wrote:the youth policy has paid off in 7 of the last 8 seasons - the question should be , when does a senior policy pay off , surely ?
The senior policy as you call it pays off when you recruit correctly and not on the cheap as we have done recently.
