Penalty Try comment

[Mike]

This is under the section Penalty Kick:


Offence against Try scorer 9. If a player fouls an opponent who is touching down for a try, a penalty kick at goal shall be taken from in front of the goal posts after the attempt to convert the try. After his kick has been taken the ball shall be deemed dead and play shall be restarted from the halfway line. This law applies to the period during which the ball is touched down for a try and not to any subsequent period.

But Eckersley wasn't fouled when touching down for the try so I am still confused as to why Kendall could have awarded a penalty try if Eckersley had not grounded the ball.

However saying what he did about awarding a penalty try like everyone else I am also confused as to why he didn't.

I really don't think he needed to go to the screen anyway. I am sure he knew it was touched down properly but these days they seem to want to have everything but the most obvious score checked.

This is not the penalty try rule, this is the "8 point try" rule. Penalty try is a foul that stops the player scoring, 8 point try is a foul in the act of scoring, which I believe this was - eckersley was still being pulled back as he touched down. Fouled in the act for me.

[Exiled Wiganer]

When I was at the game, I suggested that we should have an 8 point try and King should have been sin binned… but I was in full cherry and white tinted specs mode.

[Wintergreen]

The point remains though that if a penalty try was going to be awarded (which from the horses mouth it was), then what was the benefit to Wigan of awarding a "normal" try?

Surely it should have been given as a penalty try and no referal to the VR made?

If the rules prevent this (and I am no expert here), then they need to be changed.

[Mike]

The point remains though that if a penalty try was going to be awarded (which from the horses mouth it was), then what was the benefit to Wigan of awarding a "normal" try?

Surely it should have been given as a penalty try and no referal to the VR made?

If the rules prevent this (and I am no expert here), then they need to be changed.

Surely it can't be a penalty try if it's a try? A penalty try is award for preventing someone from scoring by foul play when they otherwise would have.

The advantage should have been a try, conversion and then a penalty under the sticks for the foul in the act of scoring. The rules are already fine, they just need applying.

[morley pie eater]

https://www.rugby-league.com/governance ... f-the-game

all i can find regarding a penalty try, under the subsection "Scoring" Try-how scored 3 paragraph D

"Penalty try (d) the Referee may award a penalty try if, in their opinion, a try would have been scored but for the unfair play of the defending team. A penalty try is awarded between the goal posts irrespective of where the offence occurred."

My reading of this is that the defender has nothing to lose by fouling a player who is going in for a try!
If the defender illegally prevents the ball being grounded, he either gets away with it and saves a try, or doesn't and the try is awarded, but would have been scored anyway. So it seems there is no sanction for the foul play.

[WarriorWinger]

A penalty try is awarded if the player is prevented from scoring what would have been classed as a certain try, an 8 point try is awarded when a player is fouled in the act of scoring i.e. putting the ball on the ground so the player generally has to have the ball in the first instance or get fouled when grounding a loose ball

Eckersley was fouled before he had hold of the ball so the first decision is a potential penalty try, you cant then step it up to an 8 point try just because he still has hold of him when he scores.

[Mike]

A penalty try is awarded if the player is prevented from scoring what would have been classed as a certain try, an 8 point try is awarded when a player is fouled in the act of scoring i.e. putting the ball on the ground so the player generally has to have the ball in the first instance or get fouled when grounding a loose ball

Eckersley was fouled before he had hold of the ball so the first decision is a potential penalty try, you cant then step it up to an 8 point try just because he still has hold of him when he scores.

He's still being pulled back isn't he?

[Jukesy]

You can only give an 8pt try if there is "Foul play" I.e. Head High shot, punch in the act of scoring. You can't give an 8pt try for a "Technical offence" such as offside, or in this instance impeding an attacker.

As for the French "No Try"
He is asked to judge if the ball is grounded by the referee as he thought he'd knocked on
He looks at that and once he's decided he hasn't knocked on he has to check/rule if there was anything the referee missed. That's when he looks at the double movement and starts the review of that

If French drops the ball the restart is based on the knock on and VR doesn't adjudicate on the double movement

[josie andrews]

You can only give an 8pt try if there is "Foul play" I.e. Head High shot, punch in the act of scoring. You can't give an 8pt try for a "Technical offence" such as offside, or in this instance impeding an attacker.

As for the French "No Try"
He is asked to judge if the ball is grounded by the referee as he thought he'd knocked on
He looks at that and once he's decided he hasn't knocked on he has to check/rule if there was anything the referee missed. That's when he looks at the double movement and starts the review of that

If French drops the ball the restart is based on the knock on and VR doesn't adjudicate on the double movement

Thank you

[The Yonner]

https://www.rugby-league.com/governance ... f-the-game

all i can find regarding a penalty try, under the subsection "Scoring" Try-how scored 3 paragraph D

"Penalty try (d) the Referee may award a penalty try if, in their opinion, a try would have been scored but for the unfair play of the defending team. A penalty try is awarded between the goal posts irrespective of where the offence occurred."

My reading of this is that the defender has nothing to lose by fouling a player who is going in for a try!
If the defender illegally prevents the ball being grounded, he either gets away with it and saves a try, or doesn't and the try is awarded, but would have been scored anyway. So it seems there is no sanction for the foul play.

I must have been sleeping when the law got changed, but historically there used to be an "obstruction try" whereby the penalty try was awarded if a player would certainly have scored but for being obstructed. It is certainly progress to extend the range of infringements to a more general "unfair play", but I don't understand why we have to adopt the rugby union idea whereby the penalty try is awarded anonymously. In our game we don't have penalty tries for pushovers, so what's wrong with crediting the likely scorer with the try as always used to happen?