4th OFFICIAL STOPS PENALTIES!

[antonlevay]

i know you can get themfor aircraft transmissions but never thought about rugby i would suggest you look at a firm called rdioshack they should be on the web somewhere.

[mike binder]

FROM A TO B posted:
Like I said, next time I see him I'll get the details.
I'm not one for my next door neighbours best friend told me rumours. This person has had this scanner for a few season and often lets us know what's been said and done.
If you chose not to believe, then that's your choice, but why would I make it up?

seen this guy with it and he told basil about it at a riversiders meeting last year and basil tookm him 2 one side for a chat

[mike binder]

If you think the ref is not in contact with the fourth official you are so wrong ,next time the clown kliene refs watch is ear and his ear piece every time there is a desicion made he goes to his ear piece.If you can get a copy of this years grand final get it watch it and then tell me how many times the4th officail makes a call

[OJ]

mike binder posted:
If you think the ref is not in contact with the fourth official you are so wrong ,next time the clown kliene refs watch is ear and his ear piece every time there is a desicion made he goes to his ear piece.If you can get a copy of this years grand final get it watch it and then tell me how many times the4th officail makes a call

Absolutely correct. It is also possibly the reason that Kirkdipstick and Klein were both voted referee of the season very early on in their reffing careers - they were advised by the man in the stand and therefore appeared to be making good decisions consistently and keeping good control of the game. Award should really have been given to the bloke on the microphone :exc:

[robjoenz]

mike binder posted:
If you think the ref is not in contact with the fourth official you are so wrong ,next time the clown kliene refs watch is ear and his ear piece every time there is a desicion made he goes to his ear piece.If you can get a copy of this years grand final get it watch it and then tell me how many times the4th officail makes a call

...that isn't the fourth official though Mike.

[mike binder]

robjoenz posted:

mike binder posted:
If you think the ref is not in contact with the fourth official you are so wrong ,next time the clown kliene refs watch is ear and his ear piece every time there is a desicion made he goes to his ear piece.If you can get a copy of this years grand final get it watch it and then tell me how many times the4th officail makes a call

...that isn't the fourth official though Mike.

ok then the 5th offical scummings but you get my point the man in the middle isnt reffing hes being advised or told from above :conf:

[Fraggle]

mike binder posted:
the man in the middle isnt reffing hes being advised or told from above :conf:

I think our team could do with a bit of divine inspiration from Above as well.

There must surely be one or two gods or goddesses who are secret Pie Eaters...?

[robjoenz]

mike binder posted:
ok then the 5th offical scummings but you get my point the man in the middle isnt reffing hes being advised or told from above :conf:

I can see your point Mike, but when the referee gets it wrong there are posts saying that he should be getting more advise and assistance from everybody available (i.e. those in the loop). Now there are people suggesting the referee should make decisions alone. Obviously it isn't right if the Match Commissioner is telling him to ignore instances where Wigan deserve a penalty but assistance is a good idea in my opinion.

[Mike]

A little late in my contribution but... on the original topic.

Without having a scanner, I've been sure that this "evening-up" of the penalty count has been going on for years. Most matches where one side has received a string of penalties on the trot will see the other team get a couple later in the match so the penalty count ends up with no more than a couple difference. It seems to me that the referees even go as far as awarding these "balancing out" penalties in areas of the field where they feel it will be least significant - like a teams own 20 when ther are brining the ball out. It just makes it easier to defend themselves against accusations of bias, but its wrong.

The next neutral match you watch - when you see one side get out in front on the scoreboard on the back of an uneven penalty count in the first half - just watch the count even-up in the second.

BTW The most riddiculous example of a single "evening-up" penalty in the Cas match was the "ball-stealing" against Fletcher (after the scanner had revealed the no penalties for Wigan advice). It was the last tackle - the Cas player was desparately trying to offload on the Wigan tryline - Fletcher had to prevent the offload to get a hand-over and prevent a try - the refs interpretation? - Fletcher was trying to steal the ball in a multi-man tackle. Descisions like this make me give up on refs - how the hell do you stop the ball coming out without touching it, the attacker was trying to get the ball away - did he have it under control and was he trying to hold onto it (and give a turn-over) when Fletcher ended up with the ball - apparently so! :doz: I'm not blaming the ref for Wigan losing (Cas were the better side), but that penalty must have been a direct result of the refs desire not to come out the match with a one-sided penalty count - he can't have been judging the incident on merit (either that or he is totally incompetent).

Rant over

[robjoenz]

Mike posted:
BTW The most riddiculous example of a single "evening-up" penalty in the Cas match was the "ball-stealing" against Fletcher (after the scanner had revealed the no penalties for Wigan advice). It was the last tackle - the Cas player was desparately trying to offload on the Wigan tryline - Fletcher had to prevent the offload to get a hand-over and prevent a try - the refs interpretation? - Fletcher was trying to steal the ball in a multi-man tackle. Descisions like this make me give up on refs - how the hell do you stop the ball coming out without touching it, the attacker was trying to get the ball away - did he have it under control and was he trying to hold onto it (and give a turn-over) when Fletcher ended up with the ball - apparently so! :doz:

What Fletcher should have done was tackle the ball carriers arm to dislodge the ball rather than touching it. If the tackler touches the ball he is liable for stealing. Any experienced rugby player will release the ball as soon as a tacklers hand touches the ball. This was one decision Kirkpatrick got right.