Ashton analyses

[ChrisA]

wgnwrs posted:

Wigan Watcher posted:
Ashton analyses

Ill start by saying IMO.

Before I say anything I’m already for the wroth of some fans so here goes.

I have a problem with Ashton’s bottle when tackling, first of all I’m not talking about when he has the ball going forward or his work rate.

When he is about to tackle I see someone who is not totally committed to making the big hit, I have seen him use his shoulder in tackles but not to put a man down but to knock him off balance. Granted this can be used to good effect but I still feel on a one on one situation his nerve is suspect.

All i can say is this is the person who was sure we would go down. Enough said

I agree with that point, 9 times ot of 10 I just ignore his negativeness. On this occasion, he shares a similar view to me. Fullback is not just about being good at bringing the ball out, or linking up well in attack. There is a defensive side to it believe it or not, and he is far far away from being anything special in that department.

[jinkin jimmy]

Sorry Flash but I got there first. You keep answering, I'll keep agreeing!

[nathan_rugby]

Its just the fact that he is inexperienced, he might panic when a player is running down the wing. He might feel o i should just get this player into touch.
I just thought about it and ashtons positioning isnt good like when the oposition have the ball. He doesnt follow the play and just stays static. Then he has to sprint around the pitch.

[Wigan Watcher]

wgnwrs posted:

Wigan Watcher posted:
Ashton analyses

Ill start by saying IMO.

Before I say anything I’m already for the wroth of some fans so here goes.

I have a problem with Ashton’s bottle when tackling, first of all I’m not talking about when he has the ball going forward or his work rate.

When he is about to tackle I see someone who is not totally committed to making the big hit, I have seen him use his shoulder in tackles but not to put a man down but to knock him off balance. Granted this can be used to good effect but I still feel on a one on one situation his nerve is suspect.

All i can say is this is the person who was sure we would go down. Enough said

Well done for pointing out the obvious and boy am I glad I’m wrong.

But well done again!

[Alex the Warrior]

The lad is a superb talent. With full back play, the attacking part of the game is easier to master than the defensive side of it. He has pace, makes great scampering runs and supports the man making the break as well as Radders used to.

He is taking over from a player who was the best full back in the world and who gave some legendary displays in the cherry & white. I'm sure the benefit of this experience will be passed on to Ashton. Ashton is the only player in the team who has let the ball bounce either.

Vainokolo didn't have the ball in hand in our 20 often last night, but one time when he did, he looked for Ashton and charged at him. He didn't get past him did he?

[jinkin jimmy]

ChrisA posted:

wgnwrs posted:

Wigan Watcher posted:
Ashton analyses

Ill start by saying IMO.

Before I say anything I’m already for the wroth of some fans so here goes.

I have a problem with Ashton’s bottle when tackling, first of all I’m not talking about when he has the ball going forward or his work rate.

When he is about to tackle I see someone who is not totally committed to making the big hit, I have seen him use his shoulder in tackles but not to put a man down but to knock him off balance. Granted this can be used to good effect but I still feel on a one on one situation his nerve is suspect.

All i can say is this is the person who was sure we would go down. Enough said

I agree with that point, 9 times ot of 10 I just ignore his negativeness. On this occasion, he shares a similar view to me. Fullback is not just about being good at bringing the ball out, or linking up well in attack. There is a defensive side to it believe it or not, and he is far far away from being anything special in that department.

See him off, Flash!!

But to answer you seriously Chris, why does he have to be special in all departments? Is Wellens as good coming forward as defensively? Was Gary Connolly?, etc

[ChrisA]

jinkin jimmy posted:

ChrisA posted:

wgnwrs posted: All i can say is this is the person who was sure we would go down. Enough said

I agree with that point, 9 times ot of 10 I just ignore his negativeness. On this occasion, he shares a similar view to me. Fullback is not just about being good at bringing the ball out, or linking up well in attack. There is a defensive side to it believe it or not, and he is far far away from being anything special in that department.

See him off, Flash!!

But to answer you seriously Chris, why does he have to be special in all departments? Is Wellens as good coming forward as defensively? Was Gary Connolly?, etc

Not saying he has to be special, competent would do. At the moment, I dont think he is.

Don't get me wrong here, I want him to improve, I want him to be a success, I want him to be a Wigan player for the next 12 years. I would just like to see his defensive duties improve. A suspect fullback is not a good thing, I dont want teams to target him as a weak link, either under the highball or his one on one defence. I want what is best from him, and the team, and to do that I feel he needs to improve alot is some areas. I think Noble is the man to help him do just that. He is a massive talent with unlimited potential, I want to see him reach that and mkae the most of it, to do that though, as I've said, there are areas that need alot of work. In my humble opinion.

[ChrisA]

Flash posted:
I may be able to end this thread right here (but somehow I doubt it! ). Can anyone name me:

1) an 18/19 year old in his first full season who is or ever has been the finished article.

2) A player ever who was perfect at everything.

Thought not....

Read my previous post, and please do your very best to understand that my comments are not ment as a put down to the player. I rate him highly, as I say read my last post, that sums up my view on him totally.

[jinkin jimmy]

ChrisA posted:

Flash posted:
I may be able to end this thread right here (but somehow I doubt it! ). Can anyone name me:

1) an 18/19 year old in his first full season who is or ever has been the finished article.

2) A player ever who was perfect at everything.

Thought not....

Read my previous post, and please do your very best to understand that my comments are not ment as a put down to the player. I rate him highly, as I say read my last post, that sums up my view on him totally.

Fair enough Chris but IMO he is starting from a better platform at 19 yrs of age than Rads did. He certainly can improve but TBH even if he doesn't he will still do for me.

[Fielden's Angel]

Completely agree with you Martin. Ashton is fantastic. Every game he gives it his all. I dont think there are any problems with his defence. He is 19 and already has shown what an amazing full back he is. To play in the superleague and to have made his mark like he has done is a massive achievement. He will be remembered as a legend!