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Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2024 11:09 am**

Mike wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2024 9:38 pm
moto748 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2024 9:25 pm I just watched the full game. Which wasn't much fun. Leeds were sharper and better in every department. Defence and discipline both poor, and I wasn't surprised to see MP for once visibly annoyed by that.
Actually, was anyone else surprised to see Matty Peet reacting so strongly to a bad scrum play in the first half at 0-0? I was and the commentary team were too. I'm probably reading too much into it, but I've not seen Peet react like that before especially early in a game. He seems a bit rattled and he does coach from a position of fear. I hope this is a learning experience and not a sign of weakness in the coaching team. You learn more from a loss than from any victory

I think you are spot on Mike. What also amazes me is that he was boasting that we have a big squad but, for some unknown reason, he seems reluctant to use it. He definitely looks, and acted, like a man under pressure.

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2024 11:16 am**

josie andrews wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2024 10:26 am [quote=archiekeith post_id=550924 time=<a href="tel:1723460371">1723460371</a> user_id=21432]
Well that's told me Josie didn't think punching was in the rules tho' Josie Caveat. Try cycling over +*- 100 K's dayin day out fo three weeks in blistering heat or freezing cold

I like how you always reply with a sarcastic comment to me when I reply to your posts but when one of the guys mention your posts you seem to go quiet!

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DaveO wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2024 12:46 pm
Ipinwigan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:51 am Watched the Harry Smith sending off, it was the act of a petulant child after things haden't gone his way, not good at all.
Also watched the Peet interview and he was very honest about errors, soft penalties, discipline and a general poor performance, the trouble is, he is having to do this type of interview more often.
He needs to get a grip of the team and instill some discipline and then come up with attacking options, because without Bevan we are totally lost and have been for weeks.
Agreed. We aren’t quite at the stage of “Well we trained well this week” but the mistakes and one dimensional play are clear to see. He needs to show he can deal with the loss of French.

I concur Dave but as my last post infers that the players need to step up. I agreed with Beryl re- coaching/ conditioning as did some other postersAs for my alleged sarcasm that claim. Is nonsense As for me going quit. I've got alife beyond RLas for allegations of being "clueless on. RL I think the poster is in relation to Cycling. A daily stage in the tour can last between 4/5 hours not 80 minutes and ascend in some cases to well over 6000 feet. I be witnessed riders being physically sick from exhaustion on finishing a stage only to repeat the whole scenario the following day And the following days for three weeks! Anyway I'm going to take your advice and go to the vuelta for hopefully another three weeks. Hope we win our next match assuming by some on this forum they are not too tired. Bless them

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2024 12:05 pm**

archiekeith wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2024 11:16 am
josie andrews wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2024 10:26 am [quote=archiekeith post_id=550924 time=<a href="tel:1723460371">1723460371</a> user_id=21432]
Well that's told me Josie didn't think punching was in the rules tho' Josie Caveat. Try cycling over +*- 100 K's dayin day out fo three weeks in blistering heat or freezing cold
I like how you always reply with a sarcastic comment to me when I reply to your posts but when one of the guys mention your posts you seem to go quiet!

DaveO wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2024 12:46 pm
Ipinwigan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:51 am Watched the Harry Smith sending off, it was the act of a petulant child after things haden't gone his way, not good at all.
Also watched the Peet interview and he was very honest about errors, soft penalties, discipline and a general poor performance, the trouble is, he is having to do this type of interview more often.
He needs to get a grip of the team and instill some discipline and then come up with attacking options, because without Bevan we are totally lost and have been for weeks.
Agreed. We aren’t quite at the stage of “Well we trained well this week” but the mistakes and one dimensional play are clear to see. He needs to show he can deal with the loss of French.

I concur Dave but as my last post infers that the players need to step up. I agreed with Beryl re- coaching/ conditioning as did some other postersAs for my alleged sarcasm that claim. Is nonsense As for me going quit. I've got alife beyond RLas for allegations of being "clueless on. RL I think the poster is in relation to Cycling. A daily stage in the tour can last between 4/5 hours not 80 minutes and ascend in some cases to well over 6000 feet. I be witnessed riders being physically sick from exhaustion on finishing a stage only to repeat the whole scenario the following day And the following days for three weeks! Anyway I'm going to take your advice and go to the vuelta for hopefully another three weeks. Hope we win our next match assuming by some on this forum they are not too tired. Bless them

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i'd replied to you originally that i didnt think it was so much tired but physically battered

i'm sure you appreciate that there are also different forms of fitness? Cycling (tour de france etc) certainly falls into the endurance category and most likely aerobically conditioned athletes. The cyclists will spend hours riding easy to build up their aerobic endurance and are thus conditioned to race in those conditions. RL i would say falls into a more intense / anaerobic state with constant stop / sprint / stop / sprint etc. Whilst a RL player will have some endurance to keep playing for 80 minutes they arent conditioned to play for 6hours (comparing back to cyclist) as that would be pointless

so whilst i understand what you are trying to compare the training / conditioning for the 2 athletes will be completed different in this instance

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2024 12:39 pm**

I go along with what you say. But just to clarify : my post wasn't directed at RL v Ccycling per se but to the athletes attitudes in there respective sports

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2024 1:09 pm**

archiekeith wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2024 12:39 pm I go along with what you say. But just to clarify : my post wasn't directed at RL v Ccycling per se but to the athletes attitudes in there respective sports

yep, understand where you are coming from now

however, if i thought that a Wigan RL player didnt have the right attitude / wasnt fit for purpose, then i would be happy to call them out / have a discussion on here with others. I have done with Mago / Feka in the past, where i have felt that they couldnt do what they were being asked to do i.e. they were impact players, but at times, werent impacting the game how i / other fans believed they should. I've no doubt even within the club, that the players are trained slightly differently to utilise their strengths. We have some absolute machines in Thompson, Havard, Ellis, Faz who can play 80 minutes week in week out, but also have someone like Mago, who couldnt do that as effectively, but offers us something different in short bursts. i've no inside knowledge on this but would suggest some of their training is tailored to their respective strengths

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2024 1:31 pm**

I have no desire or intention to join in the above debate about fitness/tiredness, but simply to add a separate and additional factor that seems to be overlooked.

I have 20+ years experience of preparing 16/18 year olds for exams. There are 2 extreme types of students, let's say serious and laid back. A major problem for the serious or over-serious students is mental fatigue.

In the run-up to GCSE or A-level exams, they talk and think of nothing else. The night before a big exam is spent cramming, sleep is consequently of poor quality, and the morning of the exam is about poring over notes with the corn flakes.

My advice was "You learned your stuff in the last 2 years, the 24 hours before the exam is about mental preparation and readiness. On the evening before an exam, do something to relax. You'll get a better night's sleep." "On the morning of the exam, eat a decent breakfast, have a short walk or run. When you meet your mates, don't join the panicky conversation about which topics may come up and what you don't know."

What does all this have to do with us, and with fitness? I'm aware that there isn't a direct link between academic study and playing rugby professionally, but there are crossover lessons to be learnt from one sphere to another.

The brain is, in some ways, similar to a muscle. If you over-use it, it gets tired. Mental fatigue -we e all experienced it at some time. It makes you knock your cup of tea over, or drive out of your lane on the motorway.

Our performances over the past few weeks have shown many signs of mental fatigue/frustration. Harry Smith dropping balls, and even his red card, for example. Players looking lost, no urgency or mental alertness.

I believe I said a while ago that Matty Peeyshpuld send 10 of our players on a week's holiday to Spain with their families, play the reserves for a match, and start again when they get back.

None of this is connected with a debate about cycling and types of fitness. Mental fatigue can affect anyone in any area of life. But there are ways of dealing with it. I suspect that there hasn't been enough focus or awareness amongst the coaching staff, as the evidence suggests it is probably the main problem for the club at the moment, and isn't being dealt with.

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2024 1:52 pm**

morley pie eater wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2024 1:31 pm I have no desire or intention to join in the above debate about fitness/tiredness, but simply to add a separate and additional factor that seems to be overlooked.

I have 20+ years experience of preparing 16/18 year olds for exams. There are 2 extreme types of students, let's say serious and laid back. A major problem for the serious or over-serious students is mental fatigue.

In the run-up to GCSE or A-level exams, they talk and think of nothing else. The night before a big exam is spent cramming, sleep is consequently of poor quality, and the morning of the exam is about poring over notes with the corn flakes.

My advice was "You learned your stuff in the last 2 years, the 24 hours before the exam is about mental preparation and readiness. On the evening before an exam, do something to relax. You'll get a better night's sleep." "On the morning of the exam, eat a decent breakfast, have a short walk or run. When you meet your mates, don't join the panicky conversation about which topics may come up and what you don't know."

What does all this have to do with us, and with fitness? I'm aware that there isn't a direct link between academic study and playing rugby professionally, but there are crossover lessons to be learnt from one sphere to another.

The brain is, in some ways, similar to a muscle. If you over-use it, it gets tired. Mental fatigue -we e all experienced it at some time. It makes you knock your cup of tea over, or drive out of your lane on the motorway.

Our performances over the past few weeks have shown many signs of mental fatigue/frustration. Harry Smith dropping balls, and even his red card, for example. Players looking lost, no urgency or mental alertness.

I believe I said a while ago that Matty Peeyshpuld send 10 of our players on a week's holiday to Spain with their families, play the reserves for a match, and start again when they get back.

None of this is connected with a debate about cycling and types of fitness. Mental fatigue can affect anyone in any area of life. But there are ways of dealing with it. I suspect that there hasn't been enough focus or awareness amongst the coaching staff, as the evidence suggests it is probably the main problem for the club at the moment, and isn't being dealt with.

Morley, it may not be directly but recovery / sleep is a massive part of any sportspersons schedule / programme.

After the Leigh game Matty said we'd be off to recover. Junior in his interview was off for cryo-therapy to recover, so whilst that element is physical recovery, i'd be pretty sure that mental exhaustion / recovery isnt ignored in professional sportsmen as we are talking abou

i must admit i had a little chuckle whilst reading your comment as i was thinking about Will from the Inbetweeners

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2024 4:16 pm**

All the players went to recover in the cryro chamber after the Leigh game

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2024 5:50 pm**

josie andrews wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2024 4:16 pm All the players went to recover in the cryro chamber after the Leigh game

Well it worked a treat….for leeds…. Did harry stay in longest lol

Posted: **Tue Aug 13, 2024 6:41 pm**

Firestarter wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2024 5:50 pm
josie andrews wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2024 4:16 pm All the players went to recover in the cryro chamber after the Leigh game
Well it worked a treat….for leeds…. Did harry stay in longest lol

He’s got 3 matches & £750 fine

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